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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    I'm still waiting for squeaky to tell me exactly and specifically what works I have to do to insure my salvation



    Jesus sez:

    but squeaky sez:
    I said
    There is only one guarantee of salvation in the whole bible. If you find Him I won't have to lead you like a child.

    [2Co 5:5
    5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing [is] God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    I said
    There is only one guarantee of salvation in the whole bible. If you find Him I won't have to lead you like a child.

    [2Co 5:5
    5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing [is] God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.


    so the works I must do to insure salvation are finding the Holy Spirit?


    is this like "where's waldo"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    You will have to show your work to get to that conclusion about me...until then you are merely spreading false testimony to slander...much like jews did about Stephen and Paul claiming those two taught the Law was changed...

    Which you also try to teach...

    Man’s traditions upheld by sneaky squeaky...
    I said
    lol Your the one spreading false witness. Your not even a Christian. Your an other, what ever that is.
    Look you get all emotional with me, and I'm not the one that has blinded you. You should take up your frustrations with God, He is the one that blinded you.

    [Jhn 12:40
    40 "He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, Lest they should see with [their] eyes, Lest they should understand with [their] hearts and turn, So that I should heal them."
    [Rom 11:7
    7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    I said
    ROFLOL I always wondered what that spoiler box was for. I just found out.
    The flesh is your emotions.
    Alright, so let's read the rest of your post and where it says "flesh" we'll insert "emotions," and see if it makes any sense. Ok? Ok.

    4 And those [who are] Christ's have crucified the flesh emotions with its passions and desires.
    Hmmm, emotions have passions and desires?

    Next passage...

    [Gal 5:17, 19-21, 24
    17 For the flesh emotions lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh emotions; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. ...
    19 Now the works of the flesh emotions are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
    20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,
    21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told [you] in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. ...[/QUOTE]



    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    Oh? Seems more like you think there is no works needs doing...
    Not what Paul says.

    For by grace (unmerited favor) are you saved through faith!

    that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. - Romans 10:9 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...9&version=NKJV

    In the OT His people WANTED to do the works as a sign they are saved not in order to be saved...
    Nope.

    For Israel, works (aka keeping the law) were required for salvation.

    God nearly killed Moses because he didn't circumcise his son. Zipporah (Moses' wife) had to do it herself, and called him a "husband of blood" to her.

    But works needs doing...
    Only if one is under the law.

    Christians, as Paul said, are not under the law, but under grace.

    It is ridiculous to think Christians argue that in the OT circumcision was done TO SAVE...when it was an act done TO an infant...a MALE infant...catch that?...What did the infant do to be saved? NOTHING...it was never about salvation...
    Yes, it was. So what if it was done to the little baby without his consent?

    God required it, or else the baby would be cut off.

    How about a gentile who wanted to enter into a relationship with God in the Old Testament? What did He have to do?

    HE HAD TO CIRCUMCISE AND KEEP THE LAW.

    what about females?...and finally think of all the circumcised Israelites that were NOT saved...
    Israelite women were considered jews because they were born into a jewish family.

    Cut your flesh but it profits you NOTHING...
    It doesn't now, correct.

    and as for salvation IT NEVER DID...

    Like all the other commandments...His people WANT to keep and do them because they know they ALREADY ARE SAVED...NOT in order to become saved...
    Would it profit a Christian to put himself under the law against adultery? Or theft? Or murder? Or perjury?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    I said
    lol Your the one spreading false witness.
    show your work sneaky...I am on this thread you started as you claim there is work to be done and then go and do 9/10ths of it...

    Your not even a Christian. Your an other, what ever that is.
    a believer and follower of the Way...

    Look you get all emotional with me,
    lol...you wish...merely amused as you say one thing and do another and still insist that Stephen and Paul taught the Law is changed as did the false witnesses in the book of Acts...

    and I'm not the one that has blinded you.
    nope just trying to deceive with your say one thing do another Pharisee ways...

    You should take up your frustrations with God, He is the one that blinded you.

    [Jhn 12:40
    40 "He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, Lest they should see with [their] eyes, Lest they should understand with [their] hearts and turn, So that I should heal them."
    [Rom 11:7
    7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
    No frustrations here...I see understand and am healed...and rested and refreshed each seventh day of the week...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Alright, so let's read the rest of your post and where it says "flesh" we'll insert "emotions," and see if it makes any sense. Ok? Ok.



    Hmmm, emotions have passions and desires?

    Next passage...

    [Gal 5:17, 19-21, 24
    17 For the flesh emotions lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh emotions; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. ...
    19 Now the works of the flesh emotions are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
    20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,
    21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told [you] in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. ...




    Not what Paul says.

    For by grace (unmerited favor) are you saved through faith!

    that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. - Romans 10:9 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...9&version=NKJV



    Nope.

    For Israel, works (aka keeping the law) were required for salvation.

    God nearly killed Moses because he didn't circumcise his son. Zipporah (Moses' wife) had to do it herself, and called him a "husband of blood" to her.



    Only if one is under the law.

    Christians, as Paul said, are not under the law, but under grace.



    Yes, it was. So what if it was done to the little baby without his consent?

    God required it, or else the baby would be cut off.

    How about a gentile who wanted to enter into a relationship with God in the Old Testament? What did He have to do?

    HE HAD TO CIRCUMCISE AND KEEP THE LAW.



    Israelite women were considered jews because they were born into a jewish family.



    It doesn't now, correct.



    Would it profit a Christian to put himself under the law against adultery? Or theft? Or murder? Or perjury?[/QUOTE]

    I said
    This might help you understand grace.
    GRACE -UNSOLICITED MERCY-NEW TESTAMENT-THE LAW OF CHRIST

    Gal 4:4-5
    4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law,
    5 to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.
    Eph 2:8
    8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
    John 1:14
    14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
    John 1:16-17
    16 And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace.
    17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
    Acts 15:11
    11 "But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved in the same manner as they."
    Acts 20:32
    32 "So now, brethren, I commend you to God and to the word of His grace, which is able to build you up and give you an inheritance among all those who are sanctified.
    Rom 1:5-6
    5 Through Him we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name,
    6 among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;
    Rom 3:24
    24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
    Rom 4:16
    16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all
    Rom 5:1-2
    1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
    2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
    Rom 5:15
    15 But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man's offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many.
    Gal 3:16
    16 Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, "And to seeds," as of many, but as of one, "And to your Seed," who is Christ.
    Rom 5:17-20
    17 For if by the one man's offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)
    18 Therefore, as through one man's offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.
    19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man's obedience many will be made righteous.
    20 Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more,
    Rom 5:21
    21 so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
    John 15:14
    14 "You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.
    I Jn 2:4
    4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
    I Jn 2:3
    3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
    I Jn 5:3
    3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
    (NKJ)
    xxxGrace is uncilisted mercy. Grace is a new way thought up by God, we dont deserve it, we have not earned it, we didnt even think of it but God gave it to us-a new way the new testament. God looked down on us and said them dummies arent getting it I have to think of a new way. The new testament is our Grace. Now within the new testament there are commandments. Jesus brought us the new testament, this is how Grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. Not knowing what the gift of grace was, so many are useing grace as an excuse to sin. Grace is not a way to justify sin, it is a better way to get rid of sin. The law of Christ is a new law. God explained that we didnt have nothing to do with His grace. It was His decision of sending Jesus with the new law.

    John 15:13-14
    13 "Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one's life for his friends.
    14 "You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.
    (NKJ)

    Gal 6:2
    2 Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
    (NKJ)

    John 15:10
    10 "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
    (NKJ)

    xxx God didnt do away with the idea of what He says is law, He just changed the law. And only for those who have faith in the new law.

    Heb 7:12
    12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.
    (NKJ)


    1 Cor 15:9-11
    9 For I am the least of the apostles, who am not worthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
    10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all, yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
    11 Therefore, whether it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.
    (NKJ)

    Eph 2:8-9
    8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
    9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
    (NKJ)

    Titus 2:11-13
    11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men,
    12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age,
    13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
    (NKJ)

    Rom 5:16
    16 And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification.
    (NKJ)


    Rom 5:1-4
    1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
    2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
    3 And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance;
    4 and perseverance, character; and character, hope.
    (NKJ)

    Eph 2:18-20
    18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.
    19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,
    20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone,
    (NKJ)

    Eph 3:12
    12 in whom we have boldness and access with confidence through faith in Him.
    (NKJ)

    Rom 2:11-13
    11 For there is no partiality with God.
    12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law
    13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;
    (NKJ)

    I Jn 2:3-4
    3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
    4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
    (NKJ)

    xxx Gods grace sent us the new testament, new laws, new commandments, new covenant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    show your work sneaky...I am on this thread you started as you claim there is work to be done and then go and do 9/10ths of it...

    a believer and follower of the Way...

    lol...you wish...merely amused as you say one thing and do another and still insist that Stephen and Paul taught the Law is changed as did the false witnesses in the book of Acts...

    nope just trying to deceive with your say one thing do another Pharisee ways...



    No frustrations here...I see understand and am healed...and rested and refreshed each seventh day of the week...
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    lolol How can you be healed if your not even a Christian. I guess you can be delusional

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    I said
    I think your misunderstanding the difference between saved and salvation. Saved is a free gift. And Jesus death saved us from what we deserve. But that is only so that we could have a chance to work out our salvation. God saved the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt only to destroy those later who would not believe the truth.

    [Act 7:39
    39 "whom our fathers would not obey, but rejected. And in their hearts they turned back to Egypt,
    [Jde 1:5
    5 But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.
    Did you understand my point ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Did you understand my point ?
    I said
    Well I don't know I thought so. Tell me and I'll see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    I said
    Well I don't know I thought so. Tell me and I'll see.
    Read the post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    Faith Without Works.
    Baloney.
    Squeaky, you will always be in the milk understand because you will not learn from anyone, but yourself, and those with the meat understanding, you refuse to learn from.
    So, what?

    believe it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post

    Not what Paul says.

    For by grace (unmerited favor) are you saved through faith!
    of course that is how one is saved...read Hebrews 11 and see all those in the OT that were saved by faith...NOT BY WORKS...and once saved that faith compelled works...including obedience

    As faith without works is well...dead...but you insist there are no works to be done...

    that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. - Romans 10:9 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...9&version=NKJV
    confess with your...believe in your heart...sounds like work or all the world would do it...even Satan believes...obviously there is more to confession and believing than what we typically ascribe to confessing and believing...but yes you will be saved...and will want to show your gratitude for it...that’s the works part...the by your fruit part...



    Nope.

    For Israel, works (aka keeping the law) were required for salvation.
    Might I suggest you study the OT a little more? Israel was actually saved from Egypt WITHOUt KNOWING THE LAW...see? faith first

    God nearly killed Moses because he didn't circumcise his son. Zipporah (Moses' wife) had to do it herself, and called him a "husband of blood" to her.
    ummm you do understand Moses was chosen BEFORE his son was circumcised...the covenant was that because Abraham was chosen/saved by faith it was a sign...see? faith first again...



    Only if one is under the law.

    Christians, as Paul said, are not under the law, but under grace.
    right...faith first then works...because we are given the unearned gift of grace we realize He bought us and we are His to do HIS WAY...out of gratitude not cuz we have to...we establish law said Paul...



    Yes, it was.
    read Hebrews 11 again...see by FAITH FIRST...

    So what if it was done to the little baby without his consent?
    so what? So it can’t possibly save him as he has no clue what it is...if anything it “saves” the parents for obeying...kinda like it “saved” Moses that he “obeyed” and his child was cut...think of all those cut Israelites that were not saved...



    God required it, or else the baby would be cut off.

    How about a gentile who wanted to enter into a relationship with God in the Old Testament? What did He have to do?
    gers were saved from egypt travelled and lived with israel and only if they wished to celebrate passover did they have to be circumcised and only if they wished to enter the promise land did they have to...they could have gone anywhere else to live...

    HE HAD TO CIRCUMCISE AND KEEP THE LAW.
    nope he WANTED to...and only for a closer relationship



    Israelite women were considered jews because they were born into a jewish family.
    and being jewish is saved?



    It doesn't now, correct.
    and for salvation (from the second death) IT NEVER DID



    Would it profit a Christian to put himself under the law against adultery? Or theft? Or murder? Or perjury?
    Sure...imagine Christians WANTING to live by those rules...might live better lives now...and get some practice in as to how they will live in heaven...it being “Here are they that keep the commandments of Yah and the faith/testimony OF Yahushua”...

    But if you mean one should start keeping laws in order to be saved...that’s silly...

    Like trying to keep the law of gravity...you can’t...it keeps you...you accept it and benefit from it and live accordingly...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ktoyou View Post
    Baloney.
    Squeaky, you will always be in the milk understand because you will not learn from anyone, but yourself, and those with the meat understanding, you refuse to learn from.
    I said
    I'm sorry but I don't think you even know what the meat understanding is. Why don't you take a guess for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post




    Not what Paul says.

    For by grace (unmerited favor) are you saved through faith!

    that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. - Romans 10:9 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...9&version=NKJV



    Nope.

    For Israel, works (aka keeping the law) were required for salvation.

    God nearly killed Moses because he didn't circumcise his son. Zipporah (Moses' wife) had to do it herself, and called him a "husband of blood" to her.



    Only if one is under the law.

    Christians, as Paul said, are not under the law, but under grace.



    Yes, it was. So what if it was done to the little baby without his consent?

    God required it, or else the baby would be cut off.

    How about a gentile who wanted to enter into a relationship with God in the Old Testament? What did He have to do?

    HE HAD TO CIRCUMCISE AND KEEP THE LAW.



    Israelite women were considered jews because they were born into a jewish family.



    It doesn't now, correct.



    Would it profit a Christian to put himself under the law against adultery? Or theft? Or murder? Or perjury?
    I said
    This might help you understand grace.
    GRACE -UNSOLICITED MERCY-NEW TESTAMENT-THE LAW OF CHRIST

    Gal 4:4-5
    4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law,
    5 to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.
    Eph 2:8
    8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
    John 1:14
    14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
    John 1:16-17
    16 And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace.
    17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
    Acts 15:11
    11 "But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved in the same manner as they."
    Acts 20:32
    32 "So now, brethren, I commend you to God and to the word of His grace, which is able to build you up and give you an inheritance among all those who are sanctified.
    Rom 1:5-6
    5 Through Him we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name,
    6 among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;
    Rom 3:24
    24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
    Rom 4:16
    16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all
    Rom 5:1-2
    1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
    2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
    Rom 5:15
    15 But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man's offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many.
    Gal 3:16
    16 Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, "And to seeds," as of many, but as of one, "And to your Seed," who is Christ.
    Rom 5:17-20
    17 For if by the one man's offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)
    18 Therefore, as through one man's offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.
    19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man's obedience many will be made righteous.
    20 Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more,
    Rom 5:21
    21 so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
    John 15:14
    14 "You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.
    I Jn 2:4
    4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
    I Jn 2:3
    3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
    I Jn 5:3
    3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
    (NKJ)
    xxxGrace is uncilisted mercy. Grace is a new way thought up by God, we dont deserve it, we have not earned it, we didnt even think of it but God gave it to us-a new way the new testament. God looked down on us and said them dummies arent getting it I have to think of a new way. The new testament is our Grace. Now within the new testament there are commandments. Jesus brought us the new testament, this is how Grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. Not knowing what the gift of grace was, so many are useing grace as an excuse to sin. Grace is not a way to justify sin, it is a better way to get rid of sin. The law of Christ is a new law. God explained that we didnt have nothing to do with His grace. It was His decision of sending Jesus with the new law.

    John 15:13-14
    13 "Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one's life for his friends.
    14 "You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.
    (NKJ)

    Gal 6:2
    2 Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
    (NKJ)

    John 15:10
    10 "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
    (NKJ)

    xxx God didnt do away with the idea of what He says is law, He just changed the law. And only for those who have faith in the new law.

    Heb 7:12
    12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.
    (NKJ)


    1 Cor 15:9-11
    9 For I am the least of the apostles, who am not worthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
    10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all, yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
    11 Therefore, whether it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.
    (NKJ)

    Eph 2:8-9
    8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
    9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
    (NKJ)

    Titus 2:11-13
    11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men,
    12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age,
    13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
    (NKJ)

    Rom 5:16
    16 And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification.
    (NKJ)


    Rom 5:1-4
    1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
    2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
    3 And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance;
    4 and perseverance, character; and character, hope.
    (NKJ)

    Eph 2:18-20
    18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.
    19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,
    20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone,
    (NKJ)

    Eph 3:12
    12 in whom we have boldness and access with confidence through faith in Him.
    (NKJ)

    Rom 2:11-13
    11 For there is no partiality with God.
    12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law
    13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;
    (NKJ)

    I Jn 2:3-4
    3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
    4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
    (NKJ)

    xxx Gods grace sent us the new testament, new laws, new commandments, new covenant.[/QUOTE]

    That New Covenant was modeled for us while He was still alive...He demonstrated how we are to follow Him...do AS He did...and then He signed that New Covenant with His blood and SEALED it with His death...

    NO CHANGES ALLOWED

    And yet here you are baring the same false witness jews said of Stephen and Paul...that both taught the Law was changed...

    It was false witness then...it remains false witness now...

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    That New Covenant was modeled for us while He was still alive...He demonstrated how we are to follow Him...do AS He did...and then He signed that New Covenant with His blood and SEALED it with His death...

    NO CHANGES ALLOWED

    And yet here you are baring the same false witness jews said of Stephen and Paul...that both taught the Law was changed...

    It was false witness then...it remains false witness now...
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    I must think so the way you twist the truth around so that the good looks bad.

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