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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    The Spirit of God is God. It is the heretic that tries to ADD "son" there.

    The Father is God.
    The Son is God.
    The Holy Spirit is God.
    You disagree with your Lord Jesus Christ.


    You pick tradition over scripture.
    Psalm 1[/COLOR] and Job 28:28

    Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keypurr View Post
    Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
    Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
    Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

    Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

    God created ALL through his spirit son.
    Baloney....that is just YOUR FALSE "interpretation".

    Isa 44:24 (AKJV/PCE)
    (44:24) Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I [am] the LORD that maketh all [things]; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
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    That explains why your an idiot.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keypurr View Post
    You disagree with your Lord Jesus Christ.
    WRONG.

    Quote Originally Posted by keypurr View Post
    You pick tradition over scripture.
    WRONG AGAIN... at least you're consistent.
    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    That explains why your an idiot.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    I said
    lol Very true, I cant wait to see how they try to argue that.
    They can only turn their backs to it.

    Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
    Psalm 1[/COLOR] and Job 28:28

    Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Baloney....that is just YOUR FALSE "interpretation".

    Isa 44:24 (AKJV/PCE)
    (44:24) Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I [am] the LORD that maketh all [things]; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
    That does nothing for your argument, I agree that God created all through his tool, the logos.
    Psalm 1[/COLOR] and Job 28:28

    Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

    I love the God of my Lord Jesus Christ

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    Quote Originally Posted by keypurr View Post
    That does nothing for your argument, I agree that God created all through his tool, the logos.
    Your reading comprehension is somewhere below zero.

    That verse says that God did it ALONE.... and BY HIMSELF.
    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    That explains why your an idiot.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    WRONG.


    WRONG AGAIN... at least you're consistent.

    Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

    Where do you see the words God the Father, God the Son and God the holy Spirit in this verse?

    I give you scripture you give me foolishness man made fables.
    Psalm 1[/COLOR] and Job 28:28

    Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

    I love the God of my Lord Jesus Christ

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    Quote Originally Posted by keypurr View Post
    Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

    Where do you see the words God the Father, God the Son and God the holy Spirit in this verse?

    I give you scripture you give me foolishness man made fables.
    The only true God and Jesus Christ are ONE. You have tried to make the LORD Jesus Christ something that He is not.

    You will have no excuse before the LORD at judgement. We've explained it all clearly and repeatedly.

    1Tim 3:16 (AKJV/PCE)
    (3:16) And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

    Just as plain as the midday sun on a clear day.
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    That explains why your an idiot.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keypurr View Post
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    The Son is called a creature in Col 1:15 and God's exact IMAGE in Heb 1:3.
    Where's the word creature in that text?
    If any of my views seem to be strange or new to you, it is to be hoped that you will not close your mind to them, but will emulate the noble Bereans, and not only read and study the chapters would discuss, but will also search the Scriptures to see whether these things be so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Your reading comprehension is somewhere below zero.

    That verse says that God did it ALONE.... and BY HIMSELF.
    Yep, it also says he created through his spirit SON.

    Which is right?
    Read the entire first chapter of Hebrews. Learn something new to you.
    Psalm 1[/COLOR] and Job 28:28

    Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keypurr View Post
    God created all THROUGH his Son. So his Son is the first creation.

    The Son is called a creature in Col 1:15 and God's exact IMAGE in Heb 1:3.


    The son is a CREATION, firstborn of all creation.


    He is a created FORM of God, a god. Yet not God.


    Doc I am trying so hard to get folks to understand me.
    Keypurr, You have been told for years that Christ is non-created

    John 1:1 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
    The Deity of Jesus Christ
    1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    1 John 1:1-2 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
    Introduction, The Incarnate Word
    1 What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and touched with our hands, concerning the Word of Life— 2 and the life was manifested, and we have seen and testify and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was manifested to us—
    He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

    Jim Elliot

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    Quote Originally Posted by keypurr View Post
    Yep, it also says he created through his spirit SON.

    Which is right?
    Read the entire first chapter of Hebrews. Learn something new to you.
    Both are right since Jesus is God.

    Matt 1:23 (AKJV/PCE)
    (1:23) Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    That explains why your an idiot.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    Where's the word creature in that text?
    Take you pick

    Colossians 1:15
    (Bishops) Who is the image of the inuisible God, the first borne of all creatures.

    (ESV) He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

    (ESV+) R9He is the image of R10the invisible God, R11the firstborn of all creation.

    (Geneva) Who is the image of the inuisible God, the first begotten of euery creature.

    (GNB) Christ is the visible likeness of the invisible God. He is the first-born Son, superior to all created things.

    (ISV) The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

    (KJV) Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

    (Murdock) who is the likeness of the invisible God, and the first-born of all creatures:

    (NAS77) And He is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation.

    (NASB) He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

    (NIrV) Christ is the exact likeness of God, who can't be seen. He is first, and he is over all of creation.

    (NIV) The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

    (NKJV) He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

    (NRSV) He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;

    (NRSVA) He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;

    (YLT) who is the image of the invisible God, first-born of all creation,
    Psalm 1[/COLOR] and Job 28:28

    Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

    I love the God of my Lord Jesus Christ

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    Quote Originally Posted by keypurr View Post
    Take you pick

    Colossians 1:15
    (Bishops) Who is the image of the inuisible God, the first borne of all creatures.

    (ESV) He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

    (ESV+) R9He is the image of R10the invisible God, R11the firstborn of all creation.

    (Geneva) Who is the image of the inuisible God, the first begotten of euery creature.

    (GNB) Christ is the visible likeness of the invisible God. He is the first-born Son, superior to all created things.

    (ISV) The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

    (KJV) Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

    (Murdock) who is the likeness of the invisible God, and the first-born of all creatures:

    (NAS77) And He is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation.

    (NASB) He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

    (NIrV) Christ is the exact likeness of God, who can't be seen. He is first, and he is over all of creation.

    (NIV) The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

    (NKJV) He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

    (NRSV) He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;

    (NRSVA) He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;

    (YLT) who is the image of the invisible God, first-born of all creation,
    Um, I looking real hard at all those texts provided and I cant find where Jesus is called a creature.
    If any of my views seem to be strange or new to you, it is to be hoped that you will not close your mind to them, but will emulate the noble Bereans, and not only read and study the chapters would discuss, but will also search the Scriptures to see whether these things be so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright Raven View Post
    Keypurr, You have been told for year that Christ is non-created

    John 1:1 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
    The Deity of Jesus Christ
    1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    1 John 1:1-2 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
    Introduction, The Incarnate Word
    1 What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and touched with our hands, concerning the Word of Life— 2 and the life was manifested, and we have seen and testify and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was manifested to us—


    You have no clue how the Greek to English Bibles have distorted truth.

    So you refuse to accept Heb 1:3 and Col 1:15, that's your choice BR. Plus John 17:3.


    Close you eyes to the light BR, it must be hurting your eyes.
    Psalm 1[/COLOR] and Job 28:28

    Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

    I love the God of my Lord Jesus Christ

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