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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    John 1:1 (AKJV/PCE)
    (1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
    Yeppers.
    The Word was not created.
    The Word has always existed WITH God and IS God.

    "The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name." Exodus 15:3

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    PROVE IT IF YOU CAN.
    I don't have to. The Bible just says it plainly and your reject truth.
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    That explains why your an idiot.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
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    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Yeppers.
    The Word was not created.
    The Word has always existed WITH God and IS God.
    The house heretic disagrees with the Bible.

    It's time (in my opinion) for a long-term ban on this Christ rejecter that just keeps bashing the LORD JESUS CHRIST.
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    That explains why your an idiot.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Yeppers.
    The Word was not created.
    The Word has always existed WITH God and IS God.
    Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
    Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;


    These verses question your thoughts.


    The son is the EXPRESS IMAGE of YHWH. YHWH is a SPIRIT not a man. I see this as the logos (word). The logos is a created form of God. The logos became one with the body prepared for it.

    The son is the EXACT IMAGE, ALL IMAGES are creations. The spirit son is a creature not God. He is a created form of God. He was given the power of his God.


    I believe that John 1:1 has been corrupted by the Greek to English translations. It is the most misunderstood verse in the Bible.
    Psalm 1[/COLOR] and Job 28:28

    Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    The house heretic disagrees with the Bible.

    It's time (in my opinion) for a long-term ban on this Christ rejecter that just keeps bashing the LORD JESUS CHRIST.
    You spreading false tales again RD.


    I disagree with the common interpretation of scripture that the churches hold on to.


    I do not bash my God or my Lord, you just are unable to see truth. You believe in the errors of the early RCC fathers over the words of Christ.
    Psalm 1[/COLOR] and Job 28:28

    Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keypurr View Post
    The son is the EXPRESS IMAGE of YHWH. YHWH is a SPIRIT not a man. I see this as the logos (word). The logos is a created form of God. The logos became one with the body prepared for it.

    The son is the EXACT IMAGE, ALL IMAGES are creations. The spirit son is a creature not God. He is a created form of God. He was given the power of his God.
    The Greeker heretic only goes to "the Greek" if he can pervert a verse. The GREEK work TRANSLATED "express image" has NOTHING to with modern use of the ENGLISH word IMAGE as in photograph or picture.
    G5481 χαρακτήρ charakter (cha-rak-teer') n.
    1. an engraver (the tool or the person).
    2. (by implication) an engraving.
    3. (hence) a “character,” the figure stamped.
    4. (by extension) an exact copy.
    5. (figuratively) a representation.
    [from charasso “to sharpen to a point” (akin to G1125 through the idea of scratching)]
    KJV: express image
    Compare: G1125, G1504
    See also: G5480

    What does CHARAKTER mean old heretic?

    Quote Originally Posted by keypurr View Post
    I believe that John 1:1 has been corrupted by the Greek to English translations. It is the most misunderstood verse in the Bible.
    You always want to change God's Word, but that's what unbelieving heretics do.
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    That explains why your an idiot.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keypurr View Post
    You spreading false tales again RD.

    I disagree with the common interpretation of scripture that the churches hold on to.

    I do not bash my God or my Lord, you just are unable to see truth. You believe in the errors of the early RCC fathers over the words of Christ.
    You're on the outside looking in.

    John 20:26-29 (AKJV/PCE)
    (20:26) ¶ And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: [then] came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace [be] unto you. (20:27) Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust [it] into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. (20:28) And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. (20:29) Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed.

    Thomas was correct and you are dead wrong.

    (no doubt you'll "re-translate" that too, heretics got to heretic)
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    That explains why your an idiot.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Insults from a rank heretic.


    More heresy.


    You "opened the door of your mind" and your brains fell out.
    I have noticed that you forget all of the facts that are presented to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    I said
    God created everything.
    I agree, and that includes language.
    "Those who believe in Christ" are all the Christians, Catholic or not.

    @Nee_Nihilo

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    Quote Originally Posted by keypurr View Post
    ...the Trinity theology that the RCC set many years ago....
    Peter's confession: "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God" (Mt16:16KJV) is an encapsulation of the Trinity. Peter confesses that the Lord Jesus is God, and the particular way in which He is God, is that He is 'the Son of the Living God,' and in no other way, which leaves only the Trinity as an option. And that's what the Church (today's 'Catholic Church') has ALWAYS taught and believed. Christ then told Peter, "thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church" (Mt16:18KJV), which means that He would build His Church upon both the man Peter, and upon Peter's confession, which was that God is the Trinity.
    "Those who believe in Christ" are all the Christians, Catholic or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keypurr View Post
    Col 1 is not speaking of Jesus, Jesus was not at the creation. Jesus was BORN not SENT.

    Heb 1 also disagrees with you.

    Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
    Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
    Heb 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
    None of those scriptures you've quoted support your position nor refute mine so not sure why you've quoted them.

    Bearing in mind the context of the verse in colossians i qouted is very clear
    He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation
    who do you think this passage is referring to - He is the image of the invisible God if it is not Jesus. Who else represents the image of God himself that could also be described as the first of Gods creative works?
    John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. 2 This one was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idolater View Post
    Peter's confession: "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God" (Mt16:16KJV) is an encapsulation of the Trinity. Peter confesses that the Lord Jesus is God, and the particular way in which He is God, is that He is 'the Son of the Living God,' and in no other way, which leaves only the Trinity as an option. And that's what the Church (today's 'Catholic Church') has ALWAYS taught and believed. Christ then told Peter, "thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church" (Mt16:18KJV), which means that He would build His Church upon both the man Peter, and upon Peter's confession, which was that God is the Trinity.
    The Son of a King is NOT the King, the Son of YHWH is not YHWH.

    To many shortcuts were used in the Greek to English translations.
    Psalm 1[/COLOR] and Job 28:28

    Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

    I love the God of my Lord Jesus Christ

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    Quote Originally Posted by SonOfCaleb View Post
    None of those scriptures you've quoted support your position nor refute mine so not sure why you've quoted them.

    Bearing in mind the context of the verse in colossians i qouted is very clear who do you think this passage is referring to - He is the image of the invisible God if it is not Jesus. Who else represents the image of God himself that could also be described as the first of Gods creative works?
    Compare: Heb 1:3

    (Bishops) Who beyng the bryghtnesse of the glorie, and the very image of his substaunce, vpholdyng all thynges with the worde of his power, hauing by him selfe pourged our sinnes, hath syt on the ryght hande of the maiestie on hye:

    (ESV) He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

    (Geneva) Who being the brightnes of the glory, and the ingraued forme of his person, and bearing vp all things by his mightie worde, hath by himselfe purged our sinnes, and sitteth at the right hand of the Maiestie in the highest places,

    (GNB) He reflects the brightness of God's glory and is the exact likeness of God's own being, sustaining the universe with his powerful word. After achieving forgiveness for the sins of all human beings, he sat down in heaven at the right side of God, the Supreme Power.

    (ISV) He is the reflection of God's glory and the exact likeness of his being, and he holds everything together by his powerful word. After he had provided a cleansing from sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Highest Majesty

    (KJV) Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

    (NAS77) And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high;

    (NASB) And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

    (NIV) The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.

    (NKJV) who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

    (NRSV) He is the reflection of God's glory and the exact imprint of God's very being, and he sustains all things by his powerful word. When he had made purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,


    It seems many translators agree with me.
    Psalm 1[/COLOR] and Job 28:28

    Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

    I love the God of my Lord Jesus Christ

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    Question:

    What is God's first creation?

    Answer:

    In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Genesis 1:1
    If any of my views seem to be strange or new to you, it is to be hoped that you will not close your mind to them, but will emulate the noble Bereans, and not only read and study the chapters would discuss, but will also search the Scriptures to see whether these things be so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keypurr View Post
    Consider that the EXPRESS image of God is a spirit. His firstborn of all creatures/creation. He sent this son to dwell in the body of his flesh son. That was the body prepared to hold the logos. The man Jesus could die for our sins. He is the Lamb of God. The logos spirit that was in him is a FORM of God. This is the son of man that came from above. Only the son of man decended from heaven.


    It proves that there is only ONE true God as Jesus told us. It questions the Trinity theology that the RCC set many years ago. The key word EXPRESS image proves the point that God created his spirit son who is considered the right arm of the Father.


    If you can see my view then I ask you to disprove it to me, no one has so far. I feel that for some reason this was given to me to share.
    Your theory has been disproved...but you will not let go of your pride. You wear this so called revelation you have with a badge of honor.
    If any of my views seem to be strange or new to you, it is to be hoped that you will not close your mind to them, but will emulate the noble Bereans, and not only read and study the chapters would discuss, but will also search the Scriptures to see whether these things be so.

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