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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    He's and Him's
    2 Cor 5:18
    18 Now all things are of God(Father), who has reconciled us to Himself(Father) through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation,
    Heb 2:10
    10 For it was fitting for Him(Father), for whom are all things and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain(Jesus) of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
    1 Pet 4:19
    19 Therefore let those who suffer according to the will of God(Father) commit their souls to Him in doing good, as to a faithful Creator(Father).
    1 Cor 11:3
    3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ(Jesus), the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ(Jesus) is God(Father).
    Eph 2:10
    10 For we are His(Father) workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God(Father) prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
    Eph 3:8-11
    8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ,
    9 and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God(Father) who created all things through Jesus Christ;
    10 to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God(Father) might be made known by the church to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places,
    11 according to the eternal purpose which He(Father) accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord,
    Col 1:13-20
    13 He(Father) has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son(Jesus) of His(Father) love,
    14 in whom we have redemption through His(Jesus) blood, the forgiveness of sins.
    15 He(Jesus) is the image of the invisible God(Father), the firstborn over all creation.
    16 For by Him(Father) all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him(Jesus) and for Him(Father).
    17 And He(Father) is before all things, and in Him(Father) all things consist.
    18 And He(Jesus) is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He(Jesus) may have the preeminence.
    19 For it pleased the Father that in Him(Jesus) all the fullness should dwell,
    20 and by Him(Jesus) to reconcile all things to Himself(Father), by Him(Jesus), whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His(Jesus) cross.
    Rev 4:11
    11 "You are worthy, O Lord(Father), to receive glory and honor and power; for You(Father) created all things, and by Your(Father) will they exist and were created."
    Mark 10:6
    6 "But from the beginning of the creation, God(Father) 'made them male and female.'
    Rom 1:20
    20 For since the creation of the world His(Father) invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His(Father) eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
    Rev 3:14
    14 "And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, 'These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness(Jesus), the Beginning of the creation of God(Father):
    Col 1:15
    15 He(Jesus) is the image of the invisible God(Father), the firstborn over all creation.
    John 5:37-40
    37 "And the Father Himself, who sent Me(Jesus), has testified of Me(Jesus). You have neither heard His(Father) voice at any time, nor seen His (Father) form.
    38 "But you do not have His(Father) word abiding in you, because whom He(Father) sent, Him(Jesus) you do not believe.
    39 "You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me(Jesus).
    40 "But you are not willing to come to Me(Jesus) that you may have life.
    Rom 11:32-36
    32 For God(Father)has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.
    33 Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God(Father)! How unsearchable are His(Father) judgments and His(Father) ways past finding out!
    34 "For who has known the mind of the Lord(Jesus)? Or who has become His(Jesus) counselor?"
    35 "Or who has first given to Him(Jesus) and it shall be repaid to him?"
    36 For of Him(Father) and through Him(Jesus) and to Him(Father) are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.
    (NKJ)

    THROUGH CHRIST---REASON FOR WAS CHRIST
    xxxThe deffinition of through- is reason for. So God created everything through or for the reason of Jesus. God created everything for Jesus sake.

    Heb 1:1-6
    1 God(Father), who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets,
    2 has in these last days spoken to us by His(Father) Son(Jesus), whom He(Father) has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He(Father) made the worlds;
    3 who being the brightness of His(Father) glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His(Father) power, when He(Jesus) had by Himself(Jesus) purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty(Father) on high,
    4 having become so much better than the angels, as He(Jesus) has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
    5 For to which of the angels did He(Father) ever say: "You(Jesus) are My(Father) Son(Jesus), today I(Father) have begotten You(Jesus)"? And again: "I will be to Him a Father, and He(Jesus) shall be to Me(Father) a Son"?
    6 But when He(Father) again brings the firstborn(Jesus) into the world, He(Father) says: "Let all the angels of God(Father) worship Him(Jesus)."

    Heb 1:7-11
    7 And of the angels He(Father) says: "Who makes His(Father) angels spirits and His(Father) ministers a flame of fire."
    8 But to the Son(Jesus) He(Father) says: "Your(Jesus) throne, O God(Jesus), is forever and ever; a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your(Jesus) Kingdom.
    9 You(Jesus) have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; therefore God(Father), Your(Jesus) God(Father), has anointed You(Jesus) with the oil of gladness more than Your(Jesus) companions."
    10 And: "You(Father), Lord(Father), in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of Your hands.
    11 They will perish, but You(Father) remain; and they will all grow old like a garment;
    (NKJ)

    2 Cor 3:4
    4 And we have such trust through Christ toward God(Father).
    Gal 4:7
    7 Therefore you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God(Father) through Christ(Jesus).
    Phil 4:7
    7 and the peace of God(Father), which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
    Phil 4:13
    13 I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.
    John 1:17
    17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
    Rom 1:8
    8 First, I thank my God(Father) through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
    Rom 5:21
    21 so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
    2 Cor 5:18-19
    18 Now all things are of God(Father), who has reconciled us to Himself(Father) through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation,
    19 that is, that God(Father) was in Christ(Jesus) reconciling the world to Himself(Father), not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
    (NKJ)

    xxx God the Father done all the creating. God the Father sent His Son Jesus to pay for our sins. And to be an example of how to worship God the Father in the right Spirit. God created Jesus first before anything else. Then God had someone to love. God had someone to give to, but Jesus didnt have anyone that He could give to. So God created everything else through Jesus or for Jesus. The heavens and the earth were created for Jesus. Now to purchase them Jesus had to die on the cross. We all have to prove ourselves to God. Jesus proved Himself, and made the way that we can prove ourselves.
    GOD EVEN CREATED JESUS
    John 17:5
    5 "And now, O Father, glorify Me(Jesus) together with Yourself(Father), with the glory which I(Jesus) had with You(Father) before the world was.
    Col 1:15
    15 He(Jesus) is the image of the invisible God(Father), the firstborn over all creation.
    Rev 3:14
    14 "And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, 'These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness(Jesus), the Beginning of the creation of God(Father):
    (NKJ)

    Eph 1:3-5
    3 Blessed be the God(Father) and Father(Father) of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ,
    4 just as He(Father) chose us(Christians) in Him(Jesus) before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him(Father) in love,
    5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,
    (NKJ)
    OK my friend now tell me WHO the SON at the creation is. Jesus was born into the world many years later. He was not SENT, he was born.
    Psalm 1[/COLOR] and Job 28:28

    Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

    I love the God of my Lord Jesus Christ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idolater View Post
    Genesis 1:3 KJV "And God said, Let there be light" How can God 'say' anything if He didn't first create language?
    One's spirit "says" things all the time.

    And often, what one asserts one was thinking was not a thought in words at all, rather, a feeling, or even...imagery.

    I knew a toddler years ago who spoke only one word until he was about six years old.

    One word for every communication he attempted.

    And parents often understand all kinds of non-verbal communication from their babies and toddlers as "she is saying / feeling" this, that, the other...

    Sort of like that endearing non-verbal "hunh?" puppies and dogs often communicate by leaning their heads to one side.

    So, it depends...

    Rom. 5:6-8..

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    Quote Originally Posted by keypurr View Post
    Think deeper my brother.

    The world itself was created by God through his first creation.

    KJV
    Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
    Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
    Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

    If ALL things in heaven and earth were created by God through "him" He had to be the FIRST Creation.

    ESV Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

    KJV
    Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

    So God must have been alone until he created his Son for he created all through this Son.

    Who is this SON?
    The bible says that Yahwah did the creating.

    Col 1:16 For by (him / Yahwah) were all things created

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    Quote Originally Posted by keypurr View Post
    OK my friend now tell me WHO the SON at the creation is. Jesus was born into the world many years later. He was not SENT, he was born.
    John 10:36
    what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?
    In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

    A Body You Have Prepared For Me.
    Psalm 40 commentary.
    N.I.V. foot note for
    Psalms 40:6 reads: “Hebrew; Septuagint: but a body you have prepared for me. (See also Symmachus and Theodotion)” End of quote.
    Symmachus the Ebonite was a late 2nd century author of one of the Greek versions of the Old Testament.

    Theodotion 200 A.D.
    Theodotion was a Jewish scholar, perhaps working in Ephesus, who translated the Hebrew Bible into Greek. Whether he was revising the Septuagint, or was working from Hebrew manuscripts that represented a parallel tradition that has not survived, and is debated. His finished version, which filled some lacunae in the Septuagint version of the Book of Jeremiah and Book of Job, formed one column in Origen's Hexapla. (The Hexapla presented six Hebrew and Greek texts side-by-side: two Greek versions, by Aquila of Sinope and Symmachus, preceding the Septuagint, and Theodotian's version following it, apparently reflecting a contemporary understanding of their historical sequence.

    Theodotion's translation was so widely copied in the Early Christian church, that it superseded the Septuagint Book of Daniel. Jerome, in his preface to Daniel records the rejection of the Septuagint version in Christian usage, asserting that its translation was very faulty.

    Although Theodotion was Anti-Christ, it may not have occurred to him to change the Hebrew Psalm script from reading: “But a body you have prepared for me.”

    In Hebrews 10:5 the verse is also repeated. “Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: "Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me;”…



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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    One's spirit "says" things all the time.

    And often, what one asserts one was thinking was not a thought in words at all, rather, a feeling, or even...imagery.

    I knew a toddler years ago who spoke only one word until he was about six years old.

    One word for every communication he attempted.

    And parents often understand all kinds of non-verbal communication from their babies and toddlers as "she is saying / feeling" this, that, the other...

    Sort of like that endearing non-verbal "hunh?" puppies and dogs often communicate by leaning their heads to one side.

    So, it depends...

    Rom. 5:6-8..
    God created language.
    "Those who believe in Christ" are all the Christians, Catholic or not.

    @Nee_Nihilo

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    "All things came into being through him, and without him not one thing came into being." (John 1:3 NRSV)

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    Quote Originally Posted by keypurr View Post
    OK my friend now tell me WHO the SON at the creation is. Jesus was born into the world many years later. He was not SENT, he was born.
    I said
    The Son was and is Jesus. God created Jesus first. And yes Jesus was sent to deliver us from the deceptions of the devil. The one big point that everyone over looks is the word "through". The word through means "reason for". God the Father is the creator of all things. And God created everything else through (reason) Jesus, or for Jesus. Because from the beginning God knew Jesus would have to shed His blood to pay for our sins. Without the shedding of blood there is not remission of sins.

    [Heb 9:22
    22 And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    "All things came into being through him, and without him not one thing came into being." (John 1:3 NRSV)
    Isaiah 66:2
    Has not my hand made all these things, and so they came into being?” declares (the Lord / Yahwah.) “These are the ones I look on with favor: those who are humble and contrite in spirit, and who tremble at my word.
    In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

    2 Peter 3:5
    But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water.
    In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

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    All things were created for Yahshua by Yahwah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CherubRam View Post
    All things were created for Yahshua by Yahwah.
    I said
    I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CherubRam View Post
    All things were created for Yahshua by Yahwah.
    All things were made by he Word who became human.

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    John 1-14
    I said
    look at the word (made) in KJV. You have (became) in your version. Now look at some of the definitions--be divided, draw, be ended, fall, be finished, follow, be found, be fulfilled,. The flesh ended control and the Word took control. Became is a much better word. It wasnt a part of the original flesh but "became" part of the flesh. Most of the time when the Word is talking about the flesh it is talking about your emotions and feelings. And when it says to crucify your flesh with its emotions and feelings. Its talking about taking back control from them. And giving the control to the Word of God. The verses. If you can do that the Word becomes your flesh. Jesus gave total control to the Word of God.


    John 1:14
    14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
    (NKJ)

    John 1:14
    14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
    (KJV)

    1096 ginomai (ghin'-om-ahee);

    a prolongation and middle voice form of a primary verb; to cause to be ("gen"- erate), i.e. (reflexively) to become (come into being), used with great latitude (literal, figurative, intensive, etc.):

    KJV-- arise, be assembled, be (-come, -fall, -haveself), be brought (to pass), (be) come (to pass), continue, be divided, draw, be ended, fall, be finished, follow, be found, be fulfilled, + God forbid, grow, happen, have, be kept, be made, be married, be ordained to be, partake, pass, be performed, be published, require, seem, be showed, X soon as it was, sound, be taken, be turned, use, wax, will, would, be wrought.

    xxxNow look at the last part of the verse. What is the glory of God that is full of grace and truth-His Word, spoke Word.

    the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

    xxxNow how did we receive that grace and truth?

    John 1:17
    17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
    (NKJ)

    xxxNow how did Jesus get the Word?

    2 Cor 5:18-19
    18 Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation,
    19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
    (NKJ)

    John 12:48-50
    48 "He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him-- the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.
    49 "For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.
    50 "And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak."
    (NKJ)

    xxxIts obvious once you understand how John 1-1 was originally worded.

    The KJV was taken from all these versions. The 1611 KJV was the one who added "He" in place of "IT". The He was added to give the Word authority. God is neither male nor female and we call Him a "He". The Holy Spirit is neither male nor female and we call Him a "He". He is a Spiritual title of authority. And the KJV wanted to give the Word(verses) the same title of authority. It was never meant to say that Jesus is the Word. The Word came through Jesus. And the Word can control flesh or become flesh.

    Tyndale 1534:
    Joh 1:1 In the beginnynge was the worde and the worde was with God: and the worde was God. 2 The same was in the beginnynge with God. 3 All thinges were made by it and with out it was made nothinge that was made. 4 In it was lyfe and the lyfe was ye lyght of men

    Bishops 1568:
    Joh 1:1 In the begynnyng was the worde, & the worde was with God: and that worde was God. 2 The same was in the begynnyng with God. 3 All thynges were made by it: and without it, was made nothyng that was made. 4 In it was lyfe, and the lyfe was the lyght of men,

    Geneva 1587:
    Joh 1:1 In the beginning was that Word, and that Word was with God, and that Word was God. 2 This same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by it, and without it was made nothing that was made. 4 In it was life, and that life was the light of men.

    And now our modern Concordant Literal Version:
    Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the word, and the word was toward God, and God was the word. " 2 This was in the beginning toward God. 3 All came into being through it, and apart from it not even one thing came into being which has come into being." 4 In it was life, and the life was the light of men."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    John 1-14
    I said
    look at the word (made) in KJV. You have (became) in your version. Now look at some of the definitions--be divided, draw, be ended, fall, be finished, follow, be found, be fulfilled,. The flesh ended control and the Word took control. Became is a much better word. It wasnt a part of the original flesh but "became" part of the flesh. Most of the time when the Word is talking about the flesh it is talking about your emotions and feelings. And when it says to crucify your flesh with its emotions and feelings. Its talking about taking back control from them. And giving the control to the Word of God. The verses. If you can do that the Word becomes your flesh. Jesus gave total control to the Word of God.


    John 1:14
    14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
    (NKJ)

    John 1:14
    14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
    (KJV)

    1096 ginomai (ghin'-om-ahee);

    a prolongation and middle voice form of a primary verb; to cause to be ("gen"- erate), i.e. (reflexively) to become (come into being), used with great latitude (literal, figurative, intensive, etc.):

    KJV-- arise, be assembled, be (-come, -fall, -haveself), be brought (to pass), (be) come (to pass), continue, be divided, draw, be ended, fall, be finished, follow, be found, be fulfilled, + God forbid, grow, happen, have, be kept, be made, be married, be ordained to be, partake, pass, be performed, be published, require, seem, be showed, X soon as it was, sound, be taken, be turned, use, wax, will, would, be wrought.

    xxxNow look at the last part of the verse. What is the glory of God that is full of grace and truth-His Word, spoke Word.

    the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

    xxxNow how did we receive that grace and truth?

    John 1:17
    17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
    (NKJ)

    xxxNow how did Jesus get the Word?

    2 Cor 5:18-19
    18 Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation,
    19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
    (NKJ)

    John 12:48-50
    48 "He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him-- the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.
    49 "For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.
    50 "And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak."
    (NKJ)

    xxxIts obvious once you understand how John 1-1 was originally worded.

    The KJV was taken from all these versions. The 1611 KJV was the one who added "He" in place of "IT". The He was added to give the Word authority. God is neither male nor female and we call Him a "He". The Holy Spirit is neither male nor female and we call Him a "He". He is a Spiritual title of authority. And the KJV wanted to give the Word(verses) the same title of authority. It was never meant to say that Jesus is the Word. The Word came through Jesus. And the Word can control flesh or become flesh.

    Tyndale 1534:
    Joh 1:1 In the beginnynge was the worde and the worde was with God: and the worde was God. 2 The same was in the beginnynge with God. 3 All thinges were made by it and with out it was made nothinge that was made. 4 In it was lyfe and the lyfe was ye lyght of men

    Bishops 1568:
    Joh 1:1 In the begynnyng was the worde, & the worde was with God: and that worde was God. 2 The same was in the begynnyng with God. 3 All thynges were made by it: and without it, was made nothyng that was made. 4 In it was lyfe, and the lyfe was the lyght of men,

    Geneva 1587:
    Joh 1:1 In the beginning was that Word, and that Word was with God, and that Word was God. 2 This same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by it, and without it was made nothing that was made. 4 In it was life, and that life was the light of men.

    And now our modern Concordant Literal Version:
    Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the word, and the word was toward God, and God was the word. " 2 This was in the beginning toward God. 3 All came into being through it, and apart from it not even one thing came into being which has come into being." 4 In it was life, and the life was the light of men."
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    Quote Originally Posted by keypurr View Post
    Agree but....Who is "him" in this verse?

    Go back to verse 15.




    Gen.1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
    2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.


    God created the darkness in his Son.


    1Jn.1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.


    There is no darkness in God.


    Eph.4: 6 one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.


    God is in all........... All are not in God.


    Col.1:12 giving thanks to the Father, who has made us fit for sharing the portion of the saints in light,

    13 who has delivered us from the authority of darkness, and translated [us] into the kingdom of the Son of his love:

    14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins;

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    Quote Originally Posted by Notaclue View Post
    Gen.1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
    2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.


    God created the darkness in his Son.


    1Jn.1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.


    There is no darkness in God.


    Eph.4: 6 one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.


    God is in all........... All are not in God.


    Col.1:12 giving thanks to the Father, who has made us fit for sharing the portion of the saints in light,

    13 who has delivered us from the authority of darkness, and translated [us] into the kingdom of the Son of his love:

    14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins;
    This does not answer the question.

    Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
    Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

    Who is "him"?

    1. He is invisible
    2. He is firstborn of ALL creatures/creation.
    3. Everything was created through him.
    Psalm 1[/COLOR] and Job 28:28

    Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

    I love the God of my Lord Jesus Christ

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