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    What is God's first creation?

    Can the human mind fully understand the manner in which God created everything? Using our ability to think and piece things together what is the very first creation of YHWH?

    Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
    Psalm 1[/COLOR] and Job 28:28

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    Language.
    "Those who believe in Christ" are all the Christians, Catholic or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idolater View Post
    Language.
    Why do you say that?
    Psalm 1[/COLOR] and Job 28:28

    Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keypurr View Post
    Why do you say that?
    Genesis 1:3 KJV "And God said, Let there be light" How can God 'say' anything if He didn't first create language?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Idolater View Post
    Genesis 1:3 KJV "And God said, Let there be light" How can God 'say' anything if He didn't first create language?
    Interesting but who did he say that to? Would not that person he spoke to be created first?

    (ESV) Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
    Psalm 1[/COLOR] and Job 28:28

    Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

    I love the God of my Lord Jesus Christ

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    Quote Originally Posted by keypurr View Post
    Interesting but who did he say that to? Would not that person he spoke to be created first?

    (ESV) Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
    It doesn't say that He said it to anything or to anybody. It just says, "God said."
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    Quote Originally Posted by keypurr View Post
    Interesting but who did he say that to? Would not that person he spoke to be created first?

    (ESV) Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
    God first created in His Kingdom, then afterwards He created this Universe. Christ was a being in heaven, and he became the first god to be born into this world. That is how he is the first born of ALL CREATION.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idolater View Post
    Genesis 1:3 KJV "And God said, Let there be light" How can God 'say' anything if He didn't first create language?
    It's a metaphor.

    GOD but speaks a thing into being with HIS Word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post
    It's a metaphor.

    GOD but speaks a thing into being with HIS Word.

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    So you are saying that language is uncreated, always existing, like God Himself?

    All you really need to have a language is a word. A single, solitary word. Once you have that, you establish its definition, which, when you only have a single word, is that word itself. So the word = the word. Each time you say or write or read that single word, you know that it means itself, and this precedes us knowing anything more about the word.

    Then you can add words, you can add them like math equations, to the first word, to make more meaning. Whatever the second word is, it is also defined by itself, but it may also relate to the first word. You can express the relationship, and in fact, this is the relationship, is through the definition. Definitions relate words with each other, in definite ways.

    So if all that is true, then we could conclude that God did not create language, but that language is self-existent, like He is. So long as there was a single, solitary word of some sort, then we could at least reasonably theorize that language is uncreated, and that when God said, "Let," invoking language, that He was invoking what is self-existent, and that was therefore with God in the beginning.

    So that's possible. So if that's true, then I'll have to retract my answer from earlier itt, where I suggest that language was God's first creation.

    But I don't know how much scriptural support I'd have.
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    What id God's first creation?

    Genesis 1:1 KJV
    (1) In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

    "The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name." Exodus 15:3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    What id God's first creation?

    Genesis 1:1 KJV
    (1) In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
    That does not answer the question as to what he created FIRST.
    Psalm 1[/COLOR] and Job 28:28

    Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

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    Hint:
    Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
    Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

    It seems that YHWH has a tool to use.
    Psalm 1[/COLOR] and Job 28:28

    Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keypurr View Post
    Hint:
    Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
    Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

    It seems that YHWH has a tool to use.
    Col.1:16(A.S.V.)
    for in him* were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto(into) him;

    17 and he is before all things, and in him all things consist.


    God created all things through and into his Son.


    *One Son of God.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Notaclue View Post
    Col.1:16(A.S.V.)
    for in him* were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto(into) him;

    17 and he is before all things, and in him all things consist.


    God created all things through and into his Son.


    *One Son of God.


    Peace.
    Agree but....Who is "him" in this verse?

    Go back to verse 15.
    Psalm 1[/COLOR] and Job 28:28

    Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

    I love the God of my Lord Jesus Christ

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    Quote Originally Posted by keypurr View Post
    Agree but....Who is "him" in this verse?

    Go back to verse 15.




    Gen.1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
    2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.


    God created the darkness in his Son.


    1Jn.1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.


    There is no darkness in God.


    Eph.4: 6 one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.


    God is in all........... All are not in God.


    Col.1:12 giving thanks to the Father, who has made us fit for sharing the portion of the saints in light,

    13 who has delivered us from the authority of darkness, and translated [us] into the kingdom of the Son of his love:

    14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins;

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