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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    the OP specifies "legislation"
    He is issuing an executive order, pending legislation, [and] doing so after his many claims he could do no such thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    the OP specifies "legislation"
    Trump's own Chief of Staff, the Attorney General and his WH advisors are all on the record stating that the Trump Administration intended to interpret the existing immigration legislation in such a manner that "illegal" adults would now be charged with a criminal offence, thereby incarcerating then in prison waiting for their day in court.

    This provided the Justice Department with the legal pretext to take these children, given that they were legally forbidden to remain with their parents in an adult jail - thereby serving as an example to discourage further illegal immigration!

    What the Trump Administration engaged in was a classic moral exercise based on the false premise that "the ends justify the means" - something that any Christian with a knowledge of the Psalms could have told them!
    Last edited by jgarden; June 20th, 2018 at 08:47 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post




    Trump's own Chief of Staff, the Attorney General and his WH advisors are all on the record stating that the Trump Administration intended to interpret the existing immigration legislation in such a manner that "illegal" adults would now be charged with a criminal offence, thereby incarcerating then in prison waiting for their day in court.

    This provided the Justice Department with the legal pretext to take these children, given that they were legally forbidden to remain with their parents in an adult jail - thereby serving as an example to discourage further illegal immigration!

    What the Trump Administration engaged in was a classic moral exercise based on the false premise that "the ends justify the means" - something that any Christian with a knowledge of the Psalms could have told them!
    You’re fake news


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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post
    Trump's own Chief of Staff, the Attorney General and his WH advisors are all on the record stating that the Trump Administration intended to interpret the existing immigration legislation in such a manner that "illegal" adults would now be charged with a criminal offence ...

    how about that - treating people who break the law as criminals


    whatever will they think of next?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post




    Apparently "intojoy" has conveniently forgotten that "The Donald" spent several years peddling the "fake news" that President Obama was not born in the US and therefore constitutionally not entitled to hold office - a thinly veiled attempt to solicit the support of those who resented a "black" American in the White House!

    "Fake news" is nothing more than members of the "Trump cult" engaging in a blanket denial to avoid explaining the "unexplainable" - which is rapidly becoming a daily occurrence given that American Presidents are expected to choose their words wisely, given that they can have a bad habit of coming back to haunt them!
    He wasn’t born in hawaii. With all of the Obama’s butt kissers here, the doctor, the nurses, someone would’ve been bragging about his delivery but not a peep. I don’t believe a word obama says nor do I believe a word of the msm. You are all completely fake news. Who cares about the kids? They’ll be fine. They have a roof, food, clothing. Way better off now than in their s-holes they escaped from. With or without their parents. Come on. 5 years from now they won’t even remember this


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    [COLOR="#800000"]President Donald Trump ...................... said he’d refuse to sign compromise immigration legislation crafted by House Republicans that, among other provisions, would end the practice.
    We heard this morning that President Trump has decided to 'U Turn' and repeal his own legislation, and that parent/child separation will end.

    It seems that both National and International opinion may have caused him to rethink and turn his politics around in this situation.

    It's really good when World Leaders are prepared to rethink, repeal their decisions and admit mistakes. And so I think President Trump's decision here was wise....... to do a 'U Turn' on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eider View Post
    We heard this morning that President Trump has decided to 'U Turn' and repeal his own legislation, and that parent/child separation will end.

    It seems that both National and International opinion may have caused him to rethink and turn his politics around in this situation.

    It's really good when World Leaders are prepared to rethink, repeal their decisions and admit mistakes. And so I think President Trump's decision here was wise....... to do a 'U Turn' on this.

    not as much of a U-turn as you might think - zero tolerance is still in effect, children will be held in detention centers with their parents.

    so instead of getting them processed and into foster homes eating ice cream, watching tv and sleeping in beds in heartland usa, they'll be in cages with their parents on military bases


    yes, congratulations lefties, this was a big win for you

    as long as you don't keep pretending you really cared about the children

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    ....................
    as long as you don't keep pretending you really cared about the children
    I've missed you so much.............. missed the joy of reading your wonderful posts.

    Now.... let's see....

    not as much of a U-turn as you might think - zero tolerance is still in effect, children will be held in detention centers with their parents.
    So children won't be separated......... that's really good. It shows that President Trump will change his mind when he listens to others out there...... that's all good.

    so instead of getting them processed and into foster homes eating ice cream, watching tv and sleeping in beds in heartland usa, they'll be in cages with their parents on military bases
    We saw pictures of children locked up in cages, rapped up in space blankets. You mean to say that you gave them nice accommodation, telly, ice cream and care? That is so sweet..... really.

    But kids are massively traumatised when taken away from their Mums and Dads...... but your President figured that out, and that is good. All good.

    yes, congratulations lefties, this was a big win for you
    Now don't take the laurels away from President Trump like that! He made the decisions here...... it's his win that the World can see that he is a thinking President. Really...... and I thought that you supported him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post


    China built a wall. And they have hardly any Mexicans. The wall was built to keep out Mongols, Manchus, Xiongnu, and so on. How well did it work?

    Today, in China, there are 5.8 million Mongols, more than live in Mongolia. They conquered China, forming the Yuan dynasty.

    There are 10.2 million Manchus. They conquered China, forming the Qing dynasty.

    As George Santana wrote, "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." Another drawback of electing an ignoramus to the office.
    Perhaps Trump should have pulled a Jack Ma * and starred in that recent "this time, an Anglo saves the Great Wall of China" farce, starring Matt Damon **.



    _______________

    * Jack Ma is a Chinese Billionaire who founded the colossal Ali Baba competitor to the likes of EBay and Amazon, who at times stars in his own various, very well made, highly successful movies.

    Then again, the man is an actual Billionaire, with endless talent, well known in business throughout the world for his brilliant mind - not some fraud from New York.

    ** Enjoyed the movie, but well aware throughout of its' need for the ever predictable "Anglo saves the world" nonsense.

    What is it with us Americans that our own amazing achievements are apparantly not impressive enough to us, that we just have to go and rob other nations of theirs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    ...democrat officeholders' support for other parts of the Bill of Rights accurately predicted their support for the 2nd Amendment...
    I haven't seen evidence of this, at all.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    ...Why you'd support Trump, who thinks the 2nd Amendment is optional, and not support democrats who think it's an essential right, is difficult to say.
    Well, I supported President Obama when he was the chief executive of the executive branch also, I support the president no matter who he or she is, that's just . . . I don't know what it is. I salute the rank, not the person, I guess. But President Trump is better on the Second Amendment than a President Hillary Clinton would have been, so there is that.
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    But you support someone who does. What's that about? If you agree with me that it's an essential right, why are you supporting someone who doesn't think so?
    He's better on it than either Clinton or President Obama was. There are already so many infringements of the right of the people to keep and bear arms, that the only real champions of the essential or inalienable right would be those who are trying to repeal laws, not add new ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Idolater View Post
    He's better on it than either Clinton or President Obama was. There are already so many infringements of the right of the people to keep and bear arms, that the only real champions of the essential or inalienable right would be those who are trying to repeal laws, not add new ones.
    When did either of them say they'd grab our guns first and worry about the law later? You're making a mistake if you think Trump cares about any constitutional rights at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    When did either of them say they'd grab our guns first and worry about the law later?


    Clinton and bammy are skilled lawyer/politicians who learned over a lifetime to achieve success by masking their true intentions and manipulating weak-minded people

    trump, on the other hand, has achieved success by being brash, loud and obnoxious
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    Interesting how this whole thing wasn't news when Obama made no effort to stop it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    When did either of them say they'd grab our guns first and worry about the law later? You're making a mistake if you think Trump cares about any constitutional rights at all.
    He's made some comments about guns that don't sound anything like what President Obama or Hillary Clinton have ever said. In response to the Pulse shooting for example, he said he wished there was someone armed there to kill the murderer to save lives. Neither of those other two ever talked like that.

    And as to 'worry about the law later,' this was in the context of accused domestic abusers, if I'm not mistaken, not just grabbing guns willy-nilly. Not that I agree with him, we ought to affirm both the inalienable right to keep and bear arms, and this Constitutionally created right to due process both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    Clinton and bammy are skilled lawyer/politicians who learned over a lifetime to achieve success by masking their true intentions and manipulating weak-minded people

    trump, on the other hand, has succeeded by being brash, loud and obnoxious
    The end game for Democrats is repealing the Second Amendment, and in the meantime, they promote legislation for 'reasonable regulation,' which is euphemism for 'infringe,' which is explicitly forbidden in the Second Amendment.
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