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    In a perfect world, those fleeing their wonderful countries to come to this horrible country would not happen. Because their countries would be horrible and this one would be wonderful and they would not want to come here because of the wonderfulness of this country. They come because their wonderful countries are so wonderful they cannot stand it and they put their lives, and the lives of their children, in danger to be embraced by this horrible country.

    But alas, we live in a fallen world.

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    Who are we going to accuse IF what Mexican presidential candidate Andrés Manuel López Obrador is proposing, if he is the next president of Mexico, happen?

    eluniversal.com reports: Mexican presidential candidate Andrés Manuel López Obrador (AMLO) declared mass immigration to the United States a “human right” for all North Americans during a speech Tuesday.

    “And soon, very soon — after the victory of our movement — we will defend all the migrants in the American continent and all migrants in the world,” Obrador said, adding that immigrants “must leave their towns and find a life in the United States.”

    He then declared migration “a human right we will defend.”

    I note he did not say 'mass immigration' to Mexico or 'mass immigration' to Canada, a "human right" to all. Wonder why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    ... its first sentence. 'We the people' determined that aliens, legal or illegal are 'people' ...

    there's more to that first sentence - what are the next four words?

    should they apply to furriners?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisgood View Post
    eluniversal.com reports: Mexican presidential candidate Andrés Manuel López Obrador (AMLO) declared . . . migration . . . a human right . . . .
    So then to him, the right of the people to migrate shall not be infringed. Except that, exercising the right to keep and bear arms isn't inherently zero-sum, like it is with migration, especially as population continues to grow. Although maybe he's thought through extreme, dystopian overpopulation, where exercising the right to life is zero-sum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Idolater View Post
    So then to him, the right of the people to migrate shall not be infringed.
    I do not believe there is an 'infringement' of migration; if that was so, there would not be a border problem.

    But, alas, that is not what the next president of Mexico meant.


    Quote Originally Posted by Idolater View Post
    Except that, exercising the right to keep and bear arms isn't inherently zero-sum, like it is with migration, especially as population continues to grow. Although maybe he's thought through extreme, dystopian overpopulation, where exercising the right to life is zero-sum.
    No can say what he thought through. I ain't him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    there's more to that first sentence - what are the next four words?

    should they apply to furriners?
    Yep. Even illegal aliens have rights under the Constitution, albeit not all of the ones recognized for citizens.

    We found that undocumented immigrants do have constitutional rights -- but not all of the rights of citizens. (We have previously fact-checked a claim about whether unlawful presence in the United States is not a crime, a claim we ruled Mostly True.)

    Some rights, but not all

    A spokeswoman for the Florida Immigrant Coalition pointed to an article by an author of immigration books about constitutional protections for undocumented immigrants.

    We interviewed several legal scholars who agreed that undocumented immigrants have many constitutional rights, such as freedom of speech and religion, and if arrested, a right to a Miranda warning.

    "There is no question that all persons in the United States including unauthorized migrants enjoy the protections of the Constitution," said Gabriel (Jack) Chin, law professor at University of California-Davis. "There is no debate about that among legal scholars."

    The Fifth Amendment, as well as the Fourteenth Amendment protects everyone from deprivation of life, liberty or property without due process of law, Chin said.

    There have been several court decisions dating back more than a century that outline the rights of undocumented immigrants.

    The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Zadvydas vs. Davis (2001) that "once an alien enters the country, the legal circumstance changes, for the due process clause applies to all persons within the United States."

    In a Texas case, Plyler vs. Doe, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 1982 that non-citizen children must get a free K-12 education.

    But undocumented immigrants don’t share all of the rights held by citizens -- for example, they can’t vote in state and national elections.

    And Fordham law professor Jennifer Gordon said that some undocumented immigrants get almost no due process in removal proceedings.

    http://www.politifact.com/florida/st...itutional-rig/

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Yep. Even illegal aliens have rights under the Constitution, albeit not all of the ones recognized for citizens.

    We found that undocumented immigrants do have constitutional rights -- but not all of the rights of citizens. (We have previously fact-checked a claim about whether unlawful presence in the United States is not a crime, a claim we ruled Mostly True.)

    Some rights, but not all

    A spokeswoman for the Florida Immigrant Coalition pointed to an article by an author of immigration books about constitutional protections for undocumented immigrants.

    We interviewed several legal scholars who agreed that undocumented immigrants have many constitutional rights, such as freedom of speech and religion, and if arrested, a right to a Miranda warning.

    "There is no question that all persons in the United States including unauthorized migrants enjoy the protections of the Constitution," said Gabriel (Jack) Chin, law professor at University of California-Davis. "There is no debate about that among legal scholars."

    The Fifth Amendment, as well as the Fourteenth Amendment protects everyone from deprivation of life, liberty or property without due process of law, Chin said.

    There have been several court decisions dating back more than a century that outline the rights of undocumented immigrants.

    The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Zadvydas vs. Davis (2001) that "once an alien enters the country, the legal circumstance changes, for the due process clause applies to all persons within the United States."

    In a Texas case, Plyler vs. Doe, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 1982 that non-citizen children must get a free K-12 education.

    But undocumented immigrants don’t share all of the rights held by citizens -- for example, they can’t vote in state and national elections.

    And Fordham law professor Jennifer Gordon said that some undocumented immigrants get almost no due process in removal proceedings.

    http://www.politifact.com/florida/st...itutional-rig/

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Yep. Even illegal aliens have rights under the Constitution, albeit not all of the ones recognized for citizens.

    We found that undocumented immigrants do have constitutional rights -- but not all of the rights of citizens. (We have previously fact-checked a claim about whether unlawful presence in the United States is not a crime, a claim we ruled Mostly True.)

    Some rights, but not all

    A spokeswoman for the Florida Immigrant Coalition pointed to an article by an author of immigration books about constitutional protections for undocumented immigrants.

    We interviewed several legal scholars who agreed that undocumented immigrants have many constitutional rights, such as freedom of speech and religion, and if arrested, a right to a Miranda warning.

    "There is no question that all persons in the United States including unauthorized migrants enjoy the protections of the Constitution," said Gabriel (Jack) Chin, law professor at University of California-Davis. "There is no debate about that among legal scholars."

    The Fifth Amendment, as well as the Fourteenth Amendment protects everyone from deprivation of life, liberty or property without due process of law, Chin said.

    There have been several court decisions dating back more than a century that outline the rights of undocumented immigrants.

    The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Zadvydas vs. Davis (2001) that "once an alien enters the country, the legal circumstance changes, for the due process clause applies to all persons within the United States."

    In a Texas case, Plyler vs. Doe, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 1982 that non-citizen children must get a free K-12 education.

    But undocumented immigrants don’t share all of the rights held by citizens -- for example, they can’t vote in state and national elections.

    And Fordham law professor Jennifer Gordon said that some undocumented immigrants get almost no due process in removal proceedings.

    http://www.politifact.com/florida/st...itutional-rig/
    Why not the Second Amendment then? It's in the Bill of Rights, and it's been incorporated against the states under the 14th Amendment, so what gives?
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