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    Why "Conversion Therapy" Should Be Illegal

    It doesn't work and it's abusive:

    The first five results on Google for "Does Conversion Therapy Work?"

    https://www.livescience.com/25082-ga...apy-facts.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_therapy

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/patrickstru...0N#.wkQJLo9BVN

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/b...nt-therapy-all

    https://www.quora.com/Does-voluntary...n-therapy-work



    The following five are no more positive and given that the "practices" have been roundly condemned as not only quackery but harmful in accredited scientific circles and that's there's no credible evidence that homosexuals can be "cured" anyway then what justification is there for "therapy centers" to be open anywhere at all?

    Good for New Hampshire to be the latest state to outlaw such abuse but unfortunately there's still places where it's legal for minors to be forced into what is nothing other than degrading and harmful "treatment".

    How can that be acceptable to anyone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    It doesn't work and it's abusive:

    The first five results on Google for "Does Conversion Therapy Work?"

    https://www.livescience.com/25082-ga...apy-facts.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_therapy

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/patrickstru...0N#.wkQJLo9BVN

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/b...nt-therapy-all

    https://www.quora.com/Does-voluntary...n-therapy-work



    The following five are no more positive and given that the "practices" have been roundly condemned as not only quackery but harmful in accredited scientific circles and that's there's no credible evidence that homosexuals can be "cured" anyway then what justification is there for "therapy centers" to be open anywhere at all?

    Good for New Hampshire to be the latest state to outlaw such abuse but unfortunately there's still places where it's legal for minors to be forced into what is nothing other than degrading and harmful "treatment".

    How can that be acceptable to anyone?
    Minors are being forced into diversity classes in public schools, including transgender indoctrination. That should be illegal, then those conversion therapies wouldn't be needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Minors are being forced into diversity classes in public schools, including transgender indoctrination. That should be illegal, then those conversion therapies wouldn't be needed.
    Conversion therapies aren't needed, don't work and have been proven to be harmful but you think they are needed? Why?

    Educating children that not everyone is straight or can do anything about it isn't abuse, it's fact and will reduce ignorance and bullying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    Conversion therapies aren't needed, don't work and have been proven to be harmful but you think they are needed? Why?
    I'm saying there would be no need.

    Educating children that not everyone is straight or can do anything about isn't abuse, it's fact and will reduce ignorance and bullying.
    No, it's planting seeds that don't need to be planted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    I'm saying there would be no need.
    What need is there for pseudoscience practices that don't work and are abusive and damaging in the first place? Hence why they're being systematically outlawed for those very reasons?

    No, it's planting seeds that don't need to be planted.
    Oh, you think it'll turn kids gay or something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    Good for New Hampshire to be the latest state to outlaw such abuse but unfortunately there's still places where it's legal for minors to be forced into what is nothing other than degrading and harmful "treatment".

    How can that be acceptable to anyone?
    IF the desire is dictated to the well being of the minor, it's not acceptable.
    As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes."
    When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics."
    When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty
    -- to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusha View Post
    IF the desire is dictated to the well being of the minor, it's not acceptable.
    Exactly. You don't put children through abuse disguised as "therapy".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    What need is there for pseudoscience practices that don't work and are abusive and damaging in the first place? Hence why they're being systematically outlawed for those very reasons?
    I have no idea what "therapies" are out there, but know quite well how selective reporting works.



    Oh, you think it'll turn kids gay or something?
    It certainly does cause confusion amongst children who are susceptible to many unhealthy and ungodly things. Early exposure to sex does the same. That's why we are called to protect our children from things of this world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    I have no idea what "therapies" are out there, but know quite well how selective reporting works.
    Easy enough to find out and there's plenty accredited evidence from professional associations and bodies that roundly condemn it. In the more extreme cases it would include electro shock therapy, sometimes to the genitals, being made to drink substances that would induce vomiting while exposed to homoerotic imagery, being called degrading names etc. Like I said, easy enough to verify.



    It certainly does cause confusion amongst children who are susceptible to many unhealthy and ungodly things. Early exposure to sex does the same. That's why we are called to protect our children from things of this world.
    Educating children that not everybody is the same or only attracted to the opposite sex isn't actually talking about "sex" and will help reduce ignorance, bullying and aid those who have issues to be able to talk them instead of feeling trapped as many have in the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    Easy enough to find out and there's plenty accredited evidence from professional associations and bodies that roundly condemn it. In the more extreme cases it would include electro shock therapy, sometimes to the genitals, being made to drink substances that would induce vomiting while exposed to homoerotic imagery, being called degrading names etc. Like I said, easy enough to verify.
    Sounds a lot like Clockwork Orange. Laughs
    Another major problem that arises in these therapies is many are using outdated ideas about abusive parents, uncaring fathers or dominate mothers. They then fill kids heads with the message 'it is your father or mother's fault you are like this'. So often when the minor returns home they wind up hating their parents and destroying the family. It rather ironic since it is often the parents that forced them into the program in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kit the Coyote View Post
    Sounds a lot like Clockwork Orange. Laughs
    Another major problem that arises in these therapies is many are using outdated ideas about abusive parents, uncaring fathers or dominate mothers. They then fill kids heads with the message 'it is your father or mother's fault you are like this'. So often when the minor returns home they wind up hating their parents and destroying the family. It rather ironic since it is often the parents that forced them into the program in the first place.
    It's ironic alright. For people like aCultureWarrior there's no such thing as someone simply being homosexual. They have to have been through some sort of "trauma", be it abuse or molestation in childhood or absent fathers, upheaval etc. It's an untenable position to maintain but then, you'll find that out if you continue on his seven year ongoing "Why Homosexuality Must Be Re-criminalized!" blog.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    It's ironic alright. For people like aCultureWarrior there's no such thing as someone simply being homosexual. They have to have been through some sort of "trauma", be it abuse or molestation in childhood or absent fathers, upheaval etc. It's an untenable position to maintain but then, you'll find that out if you continue on his seven year ongoing "Why Homosexuality Must Be Re-criminalized!" blog.
    Yes he was bending over backwards to tell me that I must have had such in my childhood and that my relationship with my wife and son was imagined. It is a sad thing when a supposed Christian is left with bearing false witness and imagined claims against a complete stranger rather than question his stereotypes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kit the Coyote View Post
    Yes he was bending over backwards to tell me that I must have had such in my childhood and that my relationship with my wife and son was imagined. It is a sad thing when a supposed Christian is left with bearing false witness and imagined claims against a complete stranger rather than question his stereotypes.
    He has a history on here of implying that those who disagree with his position on homosexuality as a crime are gay themselves or rabid homosexual activists. You're far from the only one he's pulled that shtick on. He's done it with me plenty of times to the point where it can really only be projection on his part. Some of his innuendo on here about straight people being gay has gotten him booted off the forum from time to time so keep in mind that you're not talking with someone renowned for objectivity or critical thinking skills...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    He has a history on here of implying that those who disagree with his position on homosexuality as a crime are gay themselves or rabid homosexual activists. You're far from the only one he's pulled that shtick on. He's done it with me plenty of times to the point where it can really only be projection on his part. Some of his innuendo on here about straight people being gay has gotten him booted off the forum from time to time so keep in mind that you're not talking with someone renowned for objectivity or critical thinking skills...

    Well I will freely admit in terms of sexual orientation I am a bi-sexual. I've also happily married over 30 years now to a wonderful woman and we have two fine sons, one of whom is homosexual. No childhood traumas or abuse to be found. But he simply finds that idea unacceptable and has been throwing out silly accusations like accusing my wife of being a transexual, that we are non-monagaomus swingers, etc. I largely ignore it and forgive him because I understand that he has this mental problem with dealing with anything that doesn't fit in his worldview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kit the Coyote View Post
    Well I will freely admit in terms of sexual orientation I am a bi-sexual. I've also happily married over 30 years now to a wonderful woman and we have two fine sons, one of whom is homosexual. No childhood traumas or abuse to be found. But he simply finds that idea unacceptable and has been throwing out silly accusations like accusing my wife of being a transexual, that we are non-monagaomus swingers, etc. I largely ignore it and forgive him because I understand that he has this mental problem with dealing with anything that doesn't fit in his worldview.
    That's candidly honest on your part and you'll get no criticism or accusations of dishonesty and the like from me. The thing is, I'm reasonable and aCW isn't. In his world, people being gay or bi-sexual without something happening to cause it can't compute. He's not the only one who "thinks" this but he's certainly the most obsessed on the topic. Unfortunately, there's no room for objective reason with people bound by such zealous belief systems. You either have to have been abused or traumatised as a youth or equally bizarrely, you've actually "chosen" to be something other than heterosexual in their view. People on here have insisted that I could "choose" to become gay and even attracted to inanimate objects if I "trained" myself despite being straight. Go figure...
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