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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    I'm a Celtics fan
    Ironically, it was 33 years ago today that Len Bias passed away two days after the Celtics made him the #2 overall pick of the 1986 draft.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tetelestai View Post
    Kareem, Magic, Kobe, James Worthy, Elgin Baylor, George Mikan, and Jerry West were all draft picks by the Lakers.
    Most teams in that era were built on draft picks, so sure.

    Shaq was the only free agent that ever worked out for the Lakers.
    Now you're just playing word games. Jabbar was a splash move by trade. He did pretty well by them. James and AD have "next."

    Karl Malone, Dennis Rodman, Dwight Howard, Smush Parker, Luke Walton, Vlad Divac, Steve Nash, and Gary Payton were "splash moves" that didn't work out so well for the Lakers.
    Only Howard sort of qualifies. Though the luster was off of him and the rest were past their prime and looking to be contributors, not principles. Add Ron Artest as a pretty good second tier acquisition and was instrumental in the 2010 ring. Mychal Thompson was brought in to help an aging Jabbar and contributed to the 87 ring. And, of course, they traded to get Kobe from Charlotte on draft day by dealing Divac.

    We shall see which group Lebron and Anthony Davis end up in.
    Should be exciting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    Jabbar was a splash move by trade.
    You're right.

    I confused Milwaukee with Minnesota.
    the rest were past their prime
    i.e. Lebron James
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    Quote Originally Posted by tetelestai View Post
    You're right.

    I confused Milwaukee with Minnesota.
    Pretty good track record in LA.


    i.e. Lebron James
    In the case of most of those they were appreciably so, though not without the ability to contribute. James just isn't remotely in that category. Until his injury no one was playing better and the injury wasn't one that should impact his play next year, when, again, he'll have less pressure with AD alongside.

    Absent that being the beginning of his wheels falling off, it should be a banner year for the once and perhaps future king.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    Most teams in that era were built on draft picks, so sure.


    Now you're just playing word games. Jabbar was a splash move by trade. He did pretty well by them. James and AD have "next."


    Only Howard sort of qualifies. Though the luster was off of him and the rest were past their prime and looking to be contributors, not principles. Add Ron Artest as a pretty good second tier acquisition and was instrumental in the 2010 ring. Mychal Thompson was brought in to help an aging Jabbar and contributed to the 87 ring. And, of course, they traded to get Kobe from Charlotte on draft day by dealing Divac.


    Should be exciting.
    Well, he was a splash move but the Lakers had middling playoff success with Kareem until Magic arrived. Kareem played four seasons with the Lakers before Magic arrived. Kareem won a bunch of MVP awards on mostly solid but unremarkable Lakers teams.

    1975-76 40-42 missed playoffs
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    Before Magic arrived the the Lakers were just another team, nothing special about them despite the great play by Kareem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Berean View Post
    Well, he was a splash move but the Lakers had middling playoff success with Kareem until Magic arrived.
    True for any team, really. You need more than one great player. And don't forget that this is the pre-expansion NBA to boot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Berean View Post
    Before Magic arrived the the Lakers were just another team, nothing special about them despite the great play by Kareem.
    The Lakers got really lucky in 1982.

    It was the only time in NBA history that the reigning champion got the #1 overall pick in the following draft.

    The Lakers took James Worthy.
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    A couple days ago Shaq was on an awards show congratulating the Toronto Raptors on the NBA title they won. Shaq said, "Congrats to the Raptors. You had a great run to the NBA finals. You beat the Golden State Warrior. Yes, I meant Warrior, not Warriors. You only beat one of them. The rest of the team was all injured."

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    So the NBA free agent season has opened up and all sorts of craziness has happened. Kevin Durant has signed with the Brooklyn Nets to join Kyrie Irving and D'Andre Jordan. The Warriors have traded for point guard D'Angelo Russell. The Warriors have traded away Andrew Iguodala to clear cap space.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Berean View Post
    So the NBA free agent season has opened up and all sorts of craziness has happened. Kevin Durant has signed with the Brooklyn Nets to join Kyrie Irving and D'Andre Jordan. The Warriors have traded for point guard D'Angelo Russell. The Warriors have traded away Andrew Iguodala to clear cap space.
    Iguodala's book did him no favors. Neither did his commentary on the injury and his experience when injured, though GS has issues a statement that it didn't impact the decision.



    Now we wait and see if the Lakers are going to be the next big thing, or only one of the teams with a strong shot at making noise for a few years.

    And, on another note, my Celtics managed to make a little lemonade out of things, so all hope is not lost as yet.
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    I'm officially a Clipper hater.

    If Kawhi had stayed with Toronto I'd have been a fan of his, erasing the negative I had about his leaving San Antonio. If he'd have gone to my old rival the Lakers I'd have been a fan, for helping to reestablish a crown jewel of the NBA, his childhood team of rooting choice. But this...this feels calculated. He lets the Lakers think they're in it while getting George to demand a late trade and holding up that Laker money from free agent acquisitions...I hope the Lakers beat him and his like red headed stepchildren for the next four.

    On the plus side, it does make my Celtics look a little better...maybe. And as an NBA fan, it's a good thing. Now we'll have GS, the Nets, Houston, LA, and that Clippers team all vying for who's best, at least in a year or two. Next year? Bucks, Philly, Houston, Lakers, Clippers...maybe Denver.

    It could be a fun few years, all around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    I'm officially a Clipper hater.

    If Kawhi had stayed with Toronto I'd have been a fan of his, erasing the negative I had about his leaving San Antonio. If he'd have gone to my old rival the Lakers I'd have been a fan, for helping to reestablish a crown jewel of the NBA, his childhood team of rooting choice. But this...this feels calculated. He lets the Lakers think they're in it while getting George to demand a late trade and holding up that Laker money from free agent acquisitions...I hope the Lakers beat him and his like red headed stepchildren for the next four.

    On the plus side, it does make my Celtics look a little better...maybe. And as an NBA fan, it's a good thing. Now we'll have GS, the Nets, Houston, LA, and that Clippers team all vying for who's best, at least in a year or two. Next year? Bucks, Philly, Houston, Lakers, Clippers...maybe Denver.

    It could be a fun few years, all around.
    Wha? You are a Celtics fan and you support the Lakers? The Lakers do not have a divine right to be an elite team. Let them suffer for another decade of irrelevance and lousy basketball. Why should the other teams have to suffer through long dry spells and not the Lakers? It's the Lakers turn to play crappy basketball for a long time. They will never win a title with LeBron. This will smack the arrogance out of Laker fans. Good. The Lakers have missed the playoffs six straight seasons. If they push that to 20 years it wouldn't bother me at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Berean View Post
    Wha? You are a Celtics fan and you support the Lakers?
    More a measure of respect and a sense of history. The Lakers and Celtics defined their greatness against one another in the Bird/Magic days.

    The Lakers do not have a divine right to be an elite team.
    It's better for the NBA when the Lakers and Celtics are strong, just as it's better for college football when Alabama, Notre Dame, Michigan, and Ohio State are strong, or the NFL when SF, the Cowboys, and Pittsburgh are strong.

    More so with the Lakers and Celtics because they really built the foundation of the modern game's popularity.

    Let them suffer for another decade of irrelevance and lousy basketball.
    Why? It's bad for the game when that big a market isn't relevant, even beyond the history angle.

    Why should the other teams have to suffer through long dry spells and not the Lakers?
    No one has to suffer through it. And wanting storied franchises to remain in serious contention isn't wishing ill on the challengers. In fact, it makes, say, the Bucks overcoming all the more sweet, I'd think. I know I'd rather my Celtics beat a resurgent Lakers than a suddenly great Bucks team, or even your Warriors, though the Warriors at full strength and still sporting Durant would be sweet...ah, well.

    Speaking of that, I heard there are some in your franchise feeling "betrayed" by Durant, which I found hard to figure. Meanwhile, those unfathomable Canadians are gushing over their newly minted favorite son even as he departs without much more than a backwards glance.

    Go figure.

    It's the Lakers turn to play crappy basketball for a long time.
    Now you sound more like a Kings fan. But they won't play bad basketball with James and Davis for the next few years. The Lakers are back in a competitive sense, regardless.

    They will never win a title with LeBron.
    Two reasons why that's not really a strong statement though. First, James has (absent recurrence of injury) likely two strong years left, with a couple of three more in support if he wants to do the aging Jabbar or Admiral bit. And given his nature he might. But that means he has to win within the next two while they're putting pieces around him. And given the level of competition out there, I'm not sure if there's time. With another top ten player, I think it's possible. But I don't know who will be out there in that time range.

    Of course, they could win the whole thing next year. So much depends on so many factors we can't know at present it's up for grabs.

    This will smack the arrogance out of Laker fans.
    I don't care or ever think about Laker fans. But Dr. Buss was something and I like his daughter. More, I respect what he built and what his son nearly wrecked. I hope the daughter will manage better, for the sake that foundation, the importance of the Lakers to the NBA on a number of fronts (a couple of which I spoke to in this) and because I like James and would enjoy seeing him exit on a high note, like the Admiral. It rarely happens, but it's sweet when it does.

    The Lakers have missed the playoffs six straight seasons.
    And that's long enough. It would have been a better narrative for your Warriors to beat a great Lakers team in route to creating its dynasty, by way of example.

    If they push that to 20 years it wouldn't bother me at all.
    Then you're a fan of a team and not the game. It would be bad for that game.
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    ^^^^^Los Angeles has the Clippers as well. So if the Clippers are doing great that should give LA the attention it needs. The Lakers can pound sand. Shoot, If the Clippers win a title I would be very happy for them as it would take away even more attention from the Lakers. The longer the Lakers are terrible and the CLippers are good gives the Clippers more and more opportunity to turn the LA into a Clippers town.

    Again why should the Lakers have the divine right to be elite? Did you care that the Warriors went 40 years between NBA titles? How has the NBA been damaged with the Lakers losing the last six seasons? The NBA is doing just fine. This is good as new teams have established themselves as top teams (Warriors, Bucks Raptors, 76ers, Rockets, etc.).

    I never claimed to be a fan of the entire league. I want the Warriors to win as many titles as possible and the Lakers to be lose ans many game as possible. That makes me happy as s sports fan. :-)

    Obviously, Anthony Davis makes the team better. But it takes more than just two superstars and a bunch of scrubs to win a title. The league is way too deep for that. And the Lakers are racing against Father Time as LeBron gets older.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Berean View Post
    ^^^^^Los Angeles has the Clippers as well. So if the Clippers are doing great that should give LA the attention it needs.
    It's a Laker town. The Clippers aren't going to be the same draw. Not their fault, mind you, but you could put a second NBA team in New England and it still wouldn't have the luster of the Celtics.

    The Lakers can pound sand.
    Okay. Is your team under that sand?

    Shoot, If the Clippers win a title I would be very happy for them as it would take away even more attention from the Lakers.
    If you were tea I'd say someone left the filter over the urn.

    The longer the Lakers are terrible and the CLippers are good gives the Clippers more and more opportunity to turn the LA into a Clippers town.
    Won't happen. It's history, gravitas. The Clippers would have to at least equal all of that WHILE the Lakers did nothing. I mean, look how long the Knicks have owned New York with far less reason. The Nets, unlike the Clippers, have a chance at that. The Clippers may get a bandwagon going for a bit IF the current team can win a ring or two, but that's a drop in the larger bucket.

    Again why should the Lakers have the divine right to be elite?
    Didn't I just answer this one? (checks) I did.

    Did you care that the Warriors went 40 years between NBA titles?
    God no. I couldn't have told you where the Warriors played before not too long ago. No reason to know or think about them.

    How has the NBA been damaged with the Lakers losing the last six seasons?
    By not having a real contestant in one of the largest markets in the NBA world, for starters. Beyond that, well, I've spoken to that too. The luster of traditional powerhouses and how much more satisfying it is to beat them or to watch the pretenders to that throne take their best shots.

    The NBA is doing just fine.
    It's not a question of that. The NBA is better with the Lakers as a serious challenger, as per my examples. And this years finals was the weakest rated in ten years, despite the overall health and growth of the sport. If the Celtics or Lakers had been in it the ratings would have been higher. Because those entrenched teams have more generational fans in the broader sports world then do teams no one cared about for generations, because they couldn't be consistently great.

    This is good as new teams have established themselves as top teams (Warriors, Bucks Raptors, 76ers, Rockets, etc.).
    Denver has a really good team too. The Rockets had a great team once. If they manage it again they take a serious step toward becoming one of those teams, teams with a separated history of dynastic runs. That changes the feel of them. Until they do they're that team that once had Olajuwon and company on it. The Bulls only have some residual luster because their single dynasty was driven by the Babe Ruth of the NBA.

    I never claimed to be a fan of the entire league.
    The sport. If you want basketball to be as big as it can be, part of that is found in the NFL lesson of celebrating the cornerstones and carrying the past into the present in terms of pitching rivalries and transcendence.

    I want the Warriors to win as many titles as possible and the Lakers to be lose ans many game as possible. That makes me happy as s sports fan. :-)
    You mean as a Warriors fan who spent too many years looking up at an insurmountable challenge. I can understand how that must feel, being an old Bills fan back in the day. I mean, the last time your guys beat the Lakers in a playoff series was 1967. That has to sting a little.

    Obviously, Anthony Davis makes the team better. But it takes more than just two superstars and a bunch of scrubs to win a title.
    They have more than that. First, you shouldn't sleep on Kuzma. He's a really talented young player who if he keeps growing like he did over the past two years should be good for 20 pts or better, a handful of rebounds and a few assists. He needs to up his defensive game, but at his tender age and with that athleticism, there's no reason to believe he won't. And they just picked up Danny Green, who is both a good defender (a top tier parameter defender) and a terrific three point shooter. They've also signed DeMarcus Cousins, who could turn out to be the steal of the free agent gets. Rondo returns with his 8 assists and unselfish play. This will not be a team of scrubs.

    EDIT: And they've picked up another outside shooter, taking Quinn Cook from your Warriors, along with his 40+% 3 pt prowess. Caldwell-Pope is under contract as well.

    This is a playoff team (so they're going to play good basketball) and a contender for the vacated crown.

    The league is way too deep for that. And the Lakers are racing against Father Time as LeBron gets older.
    There's not a team this Lakers team can't play with and if James and AD are healthy come playoff time I won't bet against them.
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