User Tag List

Page 7 of 28 FirstFirst ... 4567891017 ... LastLast
Results 91 to 105 of 415

Thread: Free will is simply....

  1. #91
    BANNED
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Location
    Hawaii
    Posts
    7,277
    Thanks
    412
    Thanked 822 Times in 713 Posts

    Mentioned
    25 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Rep Power
    0
    There is none that seeks God no not even one.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  2. #92
    Over 750 post club Idolater's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    Massachusetts
    Posts
    965
    Thanks
    113
    Thanked 163 Times in 139 Posts

    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Rep Power
    19592
    Quote Originally Posted by intojoy View Post
    There is none that seeks God no not even one.


    Sent from my iPhone
    So what? You quoted a verse, I can do a 'John W' and quote 'Genesis-Revelation' and beat you. Either free will is real, or stop blaming murderers and rapists for murders and rapes. Let them all go free, because it wasn't their fault. Deal with it, Sam Harris.
    "Those who believe in Christ" are all the Christians, Catholic or not.

    @Nee_Nihilo

  3. The Following User Says Thank You to Idolater For Your Post:

    genuineoriginal (June 18th, 2018)

  4. #93
    TOL Legend
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Posts
    15,250
    Thanks
    370
    Thanked 3,741 Times in 2,788 Posts

    Blog Entries
    1
    Mentioned
    32 Post(s)
    Tagged
    3 Thread(s)

    Rep Power
    1247753
    Quote Originally Posted by intojoy View Post
    There is none that seeks God no not even one.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    That is not what that actually means.

    Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

    Rom. 5:6-8.

  5. #94
    BANNED
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Location
    Hawaii
    Posts
    7,277
    Thanks
    412
    Thanked 822 Times in 713 Posts

    Mentioned
    25 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Rep Power
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by Idolater View Post
    So what? You quoted a verse, I can do a 'John W' and quote 'Genesis-Revelation' and beat you. Either free will is real, or stop blaming murderers and rapists for murders and rapes. Let them all go free, because it wasn't their fault. Deal with it, Sam Harris.
    They were all born dead to God already condemned and headed to hell. Let them go if you want it doesnít change a thing


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  6. #95
    BANNED
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Location
    Hawaii
    Posts
    7,277
    Thanks
    412
    Thanked 822 Times in 713 Posts

    Mentioned
    25 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Rep Power
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    That is not what that actually means.

    Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

    Rom. 5:6-8.
    Why was he judged with muteness? Right. Sinniní


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  7. #96
    TOL Legend
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Posts
    15,250
    Thanks
    370
    Thanked 3,741 Times in 2,788 Posts

    Blog Entries
    1
    Mentioned
    32 Post(s)
    Tagged
    3 Thread(s)

    Rep Power
    1247753
    Quote Originally Posted by intojoy View Post
    Why was he judged with muteness? Right. Sinniní


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    Have often noted that myself, on here.

    And that was, as that very chapter and the very next one (in other words, both Luke chapters 1 and 2) assert: under the Law Economy.

    Earlier in chapter one, the guy is fine: per the Law.

    While later, in the same chapter, when he fails to believe the Angel Gabriel, he is punished for it.

    You're still off on what that verse you cited from Romans 3 (that "all have sinned") is actually talking about.

    Rom. 5:6-8.
    Last edited by Danoh; June 16th, 2018 at 10:19 AM.

  8. #97
    Over 750 post club Idolater's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    Massachusetts
    Posts
    965
    Thanks
    113
    Thanked 163 Times in 139 Posts

    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Rep Power
    19592
    Quote Originally Posted by intojoy View Post
    They were all born dead to God already condemned and headed to hell. Let them go if you want it doesn’t change a thing


    Sent from Tapatalk
    Are you saying that murder and rape are no big deal?
    "Those who believe in Christ" are all the Christians, Catholic or not.

    @Nee_Nihilo

  9. #98
    TOL Legend
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Carmarthenshire
    Posts
    8,117
    Thanks
    156
    Thanked 774 Times in 678 Posts

    Blog Entries
    6
    Mentioned
    25 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Rep Power
    179632
    Quote Originally Posted by Idolater View Post
    Here's what I know about free will. If there's no free will, then all murder and rape convictions are unjust. So there better be free will.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

  10. #99
    TOL Legend
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Carmarthenshire
    Posts
    8,117
    Thanks
    156
    Thanked 774 Times in 678 Posts

    Blog Entries
    6
    Mentioned
    25 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Rep Power
    179632
    Quote Originally Posted by Idolater View Post
    Here's what I know about free will. If there's no free will, then all murder and rape convictions are unjust. So there better be free will.
    The act of rape appears as the word ravished in scripture. It appears as a warning of judgement upon the wives and daughters of men who are disobedient. It is in fact a curse that is guaranteed to bring shame upon the family and especially the father or husband.

    Murder is of course death and I'm sure you know what the wages of sin are.

    The rapist and murderer are instruments of punishment in the hands of the Eternal Almighty. He uses the wicked to punish the wicked and society lives in dread and fear.


    "Yah Veh hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil."
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

  11. #100
    BANNED
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Location
    Hawaii
    Posts
    7,277
    Thanks
    412
    Thanked 822 Times in 713 Posts

    Mentioned
    25 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Rep Power
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by Idolater View Post
    Are you saying that murder and rape are no big deal?
    What Iím saying is that an infant is born dead to God, headed to hell before they know right from wrong. What part of that donít you understand?


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  12. #101
    TOL Legend
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Carmarthenshire
    Posts
    8,117
    Thanks
    156
    Thanked 774 Times in 678 Posts

    Blog Entries
    6
    Mentioned
    25 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Rep Power
    179632
    What an absolute blessing and supreme comfort it is to know that my salvation has never and will never, for a single moment, be in mine own hands, my own keeping or desired by my own free will. Amen.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

  13. The Following User Says Thank You to Truster For Your Post:

    intojoy (June 16th, 2018)

  14. #102
    . Eeset's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    8,244
    Thanks
    18
    Thanked 1,035 Times in 675 Posts

    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Rep Power
    1619202
    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    The rapist and murderer are instruments of punishment in the hands of the Eternal Almighty. He uses the wicked to punish the wicked and society lives in dread and fear.
    This shows an attitude typical of males.

  15. #103
    TOL Legend
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Carmarthenshire
    Posts
    8,117
    Thanks
    156
    Thanked 774 Times in 678 Posts

    Blog Entries
    6
    Mentioned
    25 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Rep Power
    179632
    Quote Originally Posted by Eeset View Post
    This shows an attitude typical of males.
    Elohim the Father agrees with that statement as does Elohim the Son and Elohim the Holy Spirit. And I say amen.
    Last edited by Truster; June 16th, 2018 at 01:39 PM.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

  16. #104
    TOL Legend
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Posts
    15,250
    Thanks
    370
    Thanked 3,741 Times in 2,788 Posts

    Blog Entries
    1
    Mentioned
    32 Post(s)
    Tagged
    3 Thread(s)

    Rep Power
    1247753
    Quote Originally Posted by intojoy View Post
    What Iím saying is that an infant is born dead to God, headed to hell before they know right from wrong. What part of that donít you understand?


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    The part where you think you are right in the second part of that assertion.



    Rom. 5:6-8.

  17. #105
    Over 750 post club Idolater's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    Massachusetts
    Posts
    965
    Thanks
    113
    Thanked 163 Times in 139 Posts

    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Rep Power
    19592
    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    The act of rape appears as the word ravished in scripture. It appears as a warning of judgement upon the wives and daughters of men who are disobedient. It is in fact a curse that is guaranteed to bring shame upon the family and especially the father or husband.

    Murder is of course death and I'm sure you know what the wages of sin are.

    The rapist and murderer are instruments of punishment in the hands of the Eternal Almighty. He uses the wicked to punish the wicked and society lives in dread and fear.


    "Yah Veh hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil."
    Agreed. Also, free will is real, and rapists and murderers are righteously condemned to the death penalty, because, and only because, free will is real. So somehow we possess free will and are free, and, God exercises His inalienable and limitless sovereignty over His creation, which includes human beings, who possess free will---both are completely true. We are free, and He possesses, as our Creator, and Maker, inalienable exhaustive definite power over us, and over everything, which is everything He made, ex Nihilo.
    "Those who believe in Christ" are all the Christians, Catholic or not.

    @Nee_Nihilo

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
About us
Since 1997 TheologyOnline (TOL) has been one of the most popular theology forums on the internet. On TOL we encourage spirited conversation about religion, politics, and just about everything else.

follow us