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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    You sure insist on complicating the obvious.

    This is really quite simple.

    Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 11:2 For by it the elders obtained a good report. 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh. 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

    And so on.

    In other words, the gospel presents man with a crystal clear picture of his fallen condition and its expected end result, Romans 1:18-3:20.

    Together with that, it presents man with an escape from that "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved, and they house" Acts 16:31; Romans 3:21-31.

    At which point man has a choice: whether to choose to believe the gospel, or to choose to reject it.

    This is no different than choosing to believe or not believe anything else in life.

    Just as you choose to believe that the link you are about to click on in your response to this post, will send said response forward.

    Faith is that simple.

    As Hebrews 11 asserts, faith is often against what appears too good to be true.

    The very problem of every Grace illiterate out there against Justification by Grace through Faith ALONE.

    Nevertheless...

    Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

    As in Abraham's case...

    Romans 4:18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be. 4:19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sarah's womb: 4:20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; 4:21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.

    Exactly!

    Hebrews 11:1's "faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."

    God's response?

    Romans 4:22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. 4:23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 4:25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

    You...are going against this that was written about how faith actually works: by choice.

    Romans 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above: ) 10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

    You see that - man's expected response is to choose to believe the evidence of things not seen.

    Notice...

    Romans 10:19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you. 10:20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me. 10:21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.

    Those Unbelieving Israelites chose to not believe; chose to be a disobedient and gainsaying people.

    Romans 9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. 9:31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 9:32 Wherefore? BECAUSE THEY SOUGHT IT not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; 9:33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: AND WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH ON HIM SHALL NOT BE ashamed.

    Which is the issue of one putting one's money where one's mouth is...

    John 12:42 Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue: 12:43 For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.

    But the point again is that it is obvious that faith is a choice.

    Romans 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, BUT ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 6:18 BEING THEN MADE FREE from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

    1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

    It effectually works in you THAT BELIEVE.

    NOT SO THAT you believe.

    Whether or not, you - choose - to believe - that...is your choice.

    Rom. 5:6-8.
    What is your belief on infant salvation?


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    Quote Originally Posted by intojoy View Post
    What is your belief on infant salvation?


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    I'm for it.



    Rom. 5:6-8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    Free will is simply wishful thinking on the part of man.



    "I know, O Yah Veh, that a man's way is not his own; no one who walks directs his own steps".

    "We can make our plans, but the Yah Veh determines our steps."

    If you have free will why is your life so miserable? Why don't you have all things that your free will has determined you deserve? Why do things not turn out the way your free will has determined?

    3 X's ? are rhetorical.


    "for dominion belongs to Yah Veh and he rules over the nations." Despite mans wishful thinking.
    "Free will" is a tautology. If it's not free, it's not a will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quip View Post
    I would've said that it's your prerogative to do so but apparently it's God's will...not yours or mine.
    So, no call, no foul!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    "Free will" is a tautology. If it's not free, it's not a will.

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    You are obviously ignorant of what "will" means. Satan has a will, but it is not free. A sinner is free to sin, but is a slave to sin. Tautology means using two consecutive words that have the same meaning. Like stupid idiot. I'm sure you've heard that many times.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by intojoy View Post
    What is your belief on infant salvation?


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    Why not start a thread instead of changing the topic?
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    Tautology means using two consecutive words that have the same meaning.
    Yep. If it's not free, it's not a will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    Yep. If it's not free, it's not a will.

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    Repeating the same error does not a truth make.

    De Servo Arbitrio.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    Repeating the same error does not a truth make. De Servo Arbitrio.
    Words mean things.

    Free means you can choose as you will.

    A will is the ability to choose.

    If it's not free, it's not a will.


    will, wɪl/ noun
    the faculty by which a person decides on and initiates action.

    free, friː/ adjective
    able to act or be done as one wishes; not under the control of another.

    Where is the evidence for a global flood?
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    The Regulative Principle of Religion
    Thirdly, essential to religion is the revelation of God‟s will as the regulative principle according to which man, as a servant, must engage himself. It has not been left to man to determine the manner in which he would serve God, for then he would stand above God. Anyone who engages himself in this way exalts himself above God and displeases the Lord in all his activity. “But in vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men” (Matt15:9).

    Rather, the Lord Himself establishes for and reveals to man the regulative principle, indicating what He requires man to do and in which manner He wishes this to be accomplished. should not a people seek unto their God ...”To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this Word, it is because there is no light in them” (Isa 8:19-
    20); “That ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God” (Rom 12:2).

    WILHELMUS BRAKEL, Th. F.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    Words mean things.

    Free means you can choose as you will.

    A will is the ability to choose.

    If it's not free, it's not a will.


    will, wɪl/ noun
    the faculty by which a person decides on and initiates action.

    free, friː/ adjective
    able to act or be done as one wishes; not under the control of another.
    Free does not convey choice. Birds are seemingly free, lions are seemingly free, but not by choice. They are subject to bondage by the will of Elohim. Romans.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    Those that oppose the truth prove that their will is not free, but in bondage to sin and Satan.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    "No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me".


    If you think that you have or are bearing fruit by the power of your own will then you will hear the words, "And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity".
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    Repeating the same error does not a truth make.

    De Servo Arbitrio.
    Hasn't stopped you from such repetition - let alone, slowed you down any.



    Rom. 5:6-8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    Words mean things.

    Free means you can choose as you will.

    A will is the ability to choose.

    If it's not free, it's not a will.


    will, wɪl/ noun
    the faculty by which a person decides on and initiates action.

    free, friː/ adjective
    able to act or be done as one wishes; not under the control of another.
    Free to choose according to ones nature yes. Not free to will oneself into righteousness.


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