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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    What is the cost of or for living righteously?
    Not to live dangerously or recklessly.

    What is righteous living? (Not living right, for I do not know what that means.) To live right is to do the right thing. There is only one way to live.
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    Righteous living would be living according to every word in the new testament. Jews can live right according to the old testament. But you cant mix them together.

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    Righteous living would be living according to every word in the new testament. Jews can live right according to the old testament. But you cant mix them together.
    There are Jews and there are Christians, and there are Jews who are Christians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    There are Jews and there are Christians, and there are Jews who are Christians.

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    There are Jews and there are Christians. and there are Jews who are learning to be Christians. You need to understand that it takes 14 years to be a born again Christian at a minimum. Just saying your a Christian does not make you a born again Christian. Just saying your a Jew does not make you a Jew. Remember what Yoḥanon-benYaʿăqov Said.

    In order to LEGALLY convert to Judaism, a gentile has to jump through a whole lot of hoops just to be considered for eligibility for potential candidacy for the conversion process. A person cannot even apply for conversion unless they are sponsored by a certified Rabbi.

    Different Rabbis have different requirements for sponsorship, but one absolute pre-requisite is the potential candidate must live in and be an active part of a Jewish Community for a bare minimum of nine months. That’s just one pre-requisite for sponsorship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
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    There are Jews and there are Christians. and there are Jews who are learning to be Christians. You need to understand that it takes 14 years to be a born again Christian at a minimum. Just saying your a Christian does not make you a born again Christian. Just saying your a Jew does not make you a Jew. Remember what Yoḥanon-benYaʿăqov Said.

    In order to LEGALLY convert to Judaism, a gentile has to jump through a whole lot of hoops just to be considered for eligibility for potential candidacy for the conversion process. A person cannot even apply for conversion unless they are sponsored by a certified Rabbi.

    Different Rabbis have different requirements for sponsorship, but one absolute pre-requisite is the potential candidate must live in and be an active part of a Jewish Community for a bare minimum of nine months. That’s just one pre-requisite for sponsorship.
    At what age can a child be born again? From his mother's womb? Jesus was teaching a Jew, Nicodemus, something that he maybe ought to have known, what it means to be born again, not what it means to be a Christian.

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    You cannot observe Passover if you are not circumcised of Israel, and I have many times. I am a Jew living among Gentiles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    At what age can a child be born again? From his mother's womb? Jesus was teaching a Jew, Nicodemus, something that he maybe ought to have known, what it means to be born again, not what it means to be a Christian.
    A person cannot even apply for conversion unless they are sponsored by a certified Rabbi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    A person cannot even apply for conversion unless they are sponsored by a certified Rabbi.
    Shalom.

    Today is Shlishli (Third) the Third Day of the Week, the Third Month the Fifteenth Day of the Month. It is Yom, Day.

    I do not mix meat and dairy so I am Orthodox in that sense, though as for conversion if needed I have not officially converted. I have a good relationship with my Rabbi. I have been observing for quite a while, but even before I was observing here in Tacoma as I remember it.

    Shalom.

    Jacob
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    In beginning He created God the heavens and the earth

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    I have not officially converted.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Shalom.

    Today is Shlishli (Third) the Third Day of the Week, the Third Month the Fifteenth Day of the Month. It is Yom, Day.

    I do not mix meat and dairy so I am Orthodox in that sense, though as for conversion if needed I have not officially converted. I have a good relationship with my Rabbi. I have been observing for quite a while, but even before I was observing here in Tacoma as I remember it.

    Shalom.

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    If your not officially converted then your not an official Jew. Your more of a want-to-be. If you NOT officially a Jew, you shouldn't be teaching Judaism. In Christianity if someone is not officially a Christian but they try to teach Christianity we call them hypocrites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    I have not officially converted.




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    If your not officially converted then your not an official Jew. Your more of a want-to-be. If you NOT officially a Jew, you shouldn't be teaching Judaism. In Christianity if someone is not officially a Christian but they try to teach Christianity we call them hypocrites.
    Interesting perspective. You have shared the worst. Now I can live on as a Jew and have no fear of teaching anything Christian either.
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    In beginning He created God the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Interesting perspective. You have shared the worst. Now I can live on as a Jew and have no fear of teaching anything Christian either.
    I said
    I think I shared reality .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    I said
    I think I shared reality .
    I think you did a good job with it. I think that you did a good job sharing reality.
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    In beginning He created God the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    I think you did a good job with it. I think that you did a good job sharing reality.
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    Its easy to loose touch with reality in our imaginations. That is why the bible says to get rid of our imagination.
    IMAGINATION
    Gen 6:5 OLD TESTAMENT
    5 Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
    Gen 8:21
    21 And the LORD smelled a soothing aroma. Then the LORD said in His heart, "I will never again curse the ground for man's sake, although the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; nor will I again destroy every living thing as I have done.
    1 Chr 28:9
    9 "As for you, my son Solomon, know the God of your father, and serve Him with a loyal heart and with a willing mind; for the LORD searches all hearts and understands all the intent of the thoughts. If you seek Him, He will be found by you; but if you forsake Him, He will cast you off forever.
    Jer 7:24
    24 "Yet they did not obey or incline their ear, but followed the counsels and the dictates of their evil hearts, and went backward and not forward.
    Jer 9:14
    14 "but they have walked according to the dictates of their own hearts and after the Baals, which their fathers taught them,"
    Jer 16:12
    12 'And you have done worse than your fathers, for behold, each one follows the dictates of his own evil heart, so that no one listens to Me.
    Isa 65:2
    2 I have stretched out My hands all day long to a rebellious people, who walk in a way that is not good, according to their own thoughts;
    NEW TESTAMENT
    Luke 1:51
    51 He has shown strength with His arm; he has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
    2 Cor 10:4-5
    4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
    5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
    Rom 1:21-22
    21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
    22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,
    Heb 4:2
    2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it.
    Heb 4:12
    12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
    Heb 4:13
    13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.
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    Acts 2:17
    17 'And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, that I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your young men shall see visions, your old men shall dream dreams.
    Matt 17:1-9
    1 Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother, led them up on a high mountain by themselves;
    2 and He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light.
    3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.
    4 Then Peter answered and said to Jesus, "Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, let us make here three tabernacles: one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah."
    5 While he was still speaking, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and suddenly a voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Hear Him!"
    6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their faces and were greatly afraid.
    7 But Jesus came and touched them and said, "Arise, and do not be afraid."
    8 When they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no one but Jesus only.
    9 Now as they came down from the mountain, Jesus commanded them, saying, "Tell the vision to no one until the Son of Man is risen from the dead."
    Acts 11:1-18
    1 Now the apostles and brethren who were in Judea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.
    2 And when Peter came up to Jerusalem, those of the circumcision contended with him,
    3 saying, "You went in to uncircumcised men and ate with them!"
    4 But Peter explained it to them in order from the beginning, saying:
    5 "I was in the city of Joppa praying; and in a trance I saw a vision, an object descending like a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came to me.
    6 "When I observed it intently and considered, I saw four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air.
    7 "And I heard a voice saying to me, 'Rise, Peter; kill and eat.'
    8 "But I said, 'Not so, Lord! For nothing common or unclean has at any time entered my mouth.'
    9 "But the voice answered me again from heaven, 'What God has cleansed you must not call common.'
    10 "Now this was done three times, and all were drawn up again into heaven.
    11 "At that very moment, three men stood before the house where I was, having been sent to me from Caesarea.
    12 "Then the Spirit told me to go with them, doubting nothing. Moreover these six brethren accompanied me, and we entered the man's house.
    13 "And he told us how he had seen an angel standing in his house, who said to him, 'Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon whose surname is Peter,
    14 'who will tell you words by which you and all your household will be saved.'
    15 "And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them, as upon us at the beginning.
    16 "Then I remembered the word of the Lord, how He said, 'John indeed baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.'
    17 "If therefore God gave them the same gift as He gave us when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could withstand God?"
    18 When they heard these things they became silent; and they glorified God, saying, "Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance to life."
    Acts 10:1-17
    1 There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of what was called the Italian Regiment,
    2 a devout man and one who feared God with all his household, who gave alms generously to the people, and prayed to God always.
    3 About the ninth hour of the day he saw clearly in a vision an angel of God coming in and saying to him, "Cornelius!"
    4 And when he observed him, he was afraid, and said, "What is it, lord?" So he said to him, "Your prayers and your alms have come up for a memorial before God.
    5 "Now send men to Joppa, and send for Simon whose surname is Peter.
    6 "He is lodging with Simon, a tanner, whose house is by the sea. He will tell you what you must do."
    7 And when the angel who spoke to him had departed, Cornelius called two of his household servants and a devout soldier from among those who waited on him continually.
    8 So when he had explained all these things to them, he sent them to Joppa.
    9 The next day, as they went on their journey and drew near the city, Peter went up on the housetop to pray, about the sixth hour.
    10 Then he became very hungry and wanted to eat; but while they made ready, he fell into a trance
    11 and saw heaven opened and an object like a great sheet bound at the four corners, descending to him and let down to the earth.
    12 In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air.
    13 And a voice came to him, "Rise, Peter; kill and eat."
    14 But Peter said, "Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean."
    15 And a voice spoke to him again the second time, "What God has cleansed you must not call common."
    16 This was done three times. And the object was taken up into heaven again.
    17 Now while Peter wondered within himself what this vision which he had seen meant, behold, the men who had been sent from Cornelius had made inquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate.
    (NKJ)
    XXX It is hard to know the difference between a spiritual vision, and the imagination. It is hard to separate in the mind dreams from the imagination. And remember there is only one guaranteed message from God. And that is the Holy Spirit. Its a different world in the Spirit than what you have grown up with. You have grown up with imagine this or imagine that. And most have grown up thinking this is good, and the way to the truth. Even our most educated people carnally the minsa group says. There is no absolute in the english language. And everyone is useing the english language to find the absolute truth. But in the Spiritual language there are absolutes. The Holy Spirit is the only guaranteed message from God. And He only quotes verses. Any time one steps outside the rules of believing they are in their imagination.

    1 Cor 4:6
    6 Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.
    (NKJ)

    Rev 22:18-19
    18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
    19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
    (NKJ)

    2 Cor 12:1

    1 It is doubtless not profitable for me to boast. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord:
    (NKJ)

    Rom 15:18-19
    18 For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ has not accomplished through me, in word and deed, to make the Gentiles obedient--
    19 in mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God, so that from Jerusalem and round about to Illyricum I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.
    (NKJ)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    I said
    Its easy to loose tough with reality in our imaginations. That is why the bible says to get rid of our imagination.
    IMAGINATION
    Gen 6:5 OLD TESTAMENT
    5 Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
    Gen 8:21
    21 And the LORD smelled a soothing aroma. Then the LORD said in His heart, "I will never again curse the ground for man's sake, although the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; nor will I again destroy every living thing as I have done.
    1 Chr 28:9
    9 "As for you, my son Solomon, know the God of your father, and serve Him with a loyal heart and with a willing mind; for the LORD searches all hearts and understands all the intent of the thoughts. If you seek Him, He will be found by you; but if you forsake Him, He will cast you off forever.
    Jer 7:24
    24 "Yet they did not obey or incline their ear, but followed the counsels and the dictates of their evil hearts, and went backward and not forward.
    Jer 9:14
    14 "but they have walked according to the dictates of their own hearts and after the Baals, which their fathers taught them,"
    Jer 16:12
    12 'And you have done worse than your fathers, for behold, each one follows the dictates of his own evil heart, so that no one listens to Me.
    Isa 65:2
    2 I have stretched out My hands all day long to a rebellious people, who walk in a way that is not good, according to their own thoughts;
    NEW TESTAMENT
    Luke 1:51
    51 He has shown strength with His arm; he has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
    2 Cor 10:4-5
    4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
    5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
    Rom 1:21-22
    21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
    22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,
    Heb 4:2
    2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it.
    Heb 4:12
    12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
    Heb 4:13
    13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.
    (NKJ)

    Acts 2:17
    17 'And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, that I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your young men shall see visions, your old men shall dream dreams.
    Matt 17:1-9
    1 Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother, led them up on a high mountain by themselves;
    2 and He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light.
    3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.
    4 Then Peter answered and said to Jesus, "Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, let us make here three tabernacles: one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah."
    5 While he was still speaking, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and suddenly a voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Hear Him!"
    6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their faces and were greatly afraid.
    7 But Jesus came and touched them and said, "Arise, and do not be afraid."
    8 When they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no one but Jesus only.
    9 Now as they came down from the mountain, Jesus commanded them, saying, "Tell the vision to no one until the Son of Man is risen from the dead."
    Acts 11:1-18
    1 Now the apostles and brethren who were in Judea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.
    2 And when Peter came up to Jerusalem, those of the circumcision contended with him,
    3 saying, "You went in to uncircumcised men and ate with them!"
    4 But Peter explained it to them in order from the beginning, saying:
    5 "I was in the city of Joppa praying; and in a trance I saw a vision, an object descending like a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came to me.
    6 "When I observed it intently and considered, I saw four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air.
    7 "And I heard a voice saying to me, 'Rise, Peter; kill and eat.'
    8 "But I said, 'Not so, Lord! For nothing common or unclean has at any time entered my mouth.'
    9 "But the voice answered me again from heaven, 'What God has cleansed you must not call common.'
    10 "Now this was done three times, and all were drawn up again into heaven.
    11 "At that very moment, three men stood before the house where I was, having been sent to me from Caesarea.
    12 "Then the Spirit told me to go with them, doubting nothing. Moreover these six brethren accompanied me, and we entered the man's house.
    13 "And he told us how he had seen an angel standing in his house, who said to him, 'Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon whose surname is Peter,
    14 'who will tell you words by which you and all your household will be saved.'
    15 "And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them, as upon us at the beginning.
    16 "Then I remembered the word of the Lord, how He said, 'John indeed baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.'
    17 "If therefore God gave them the same gift as He gave us when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could withstand God?"
    18 When they heard these things they became silent; and they glorified God, saying, "Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance to life."
    Acts 10:1-17
    1 There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of what was called the Italian Regiment,
    2 a devout man and one who feared God with all his household, who gave alms generously to the people, and prayed to God always.
    3 About the ninth hour of the day he saw clearly in a vision an angel of God coming in and saying to him, "Cornelius!"
    4 And when he observed him, he was afraid, and said, "What is it, lord?" So he said to him, "Your prayers and your alms have come up for a memorial before God.
    5 "Now send men to Joppa, and send for Simon whose surname is Peter.
    6 "He is lodging with Simon, a tanner, whose house is by the sea. He will tell you what you must do."
    7 And when the angel who spoke to him had departed, Cornelius called two of his household servants and a devout soldier from among those who waited on him continually.
    8 So when he had explained all these things to them, he sent them to Joppa.
    9 The next day, as they went on their journey and drew near the city, Peter went up on the housetop to pray, about the sixth hour.
    10 Then he became very hungry and wanted to eat; but while they made ready, he fell into a trance
    11 and saw heaven opened and an object like a great sheet bound at the four corners, descending to him and let down to the earth.
    12 In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air.
    13 And a voice came to him, "Rise, Peter; kill and eat."
    14 But Peter said, "Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean."
    15 And a voice spoke to him again the second time, "What God has cleansed you must not call common."
    16 This was done three times. And the object was taken up into heaven again.
    17 Now while Peter wondered within himself what this vision which he had seen meant, behold, the men who had been sent from Cornelius had made inquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate.
    (NKJ)
    XXX It is hard to know the difference between a spiritual vision, and the imagination. It is hard to separate in the mind dreams from the imagination. And remember there is only one guaranteed message from God. And that is the Holy Spirit. Its a different world in the Spirit than what you have grown up with. You have grown up with imagine this or imagine that. And most have grown up thinking this is good, and the way to the truth. Even our most educated people carnally the minsa group says. There is no absolute in the english language. And everyone is useing the english language to find the absolute truth. But in the Spiritual language there are absolutes. The Holy Spirit is the only guaranteed message from God. And He only quotes verses. Any time one steps outside the rules of believing they are in their imagination.

    1 Cor 4:6
    6 Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.
    (NKJ)

    Rev 22:18-19
    18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
    19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
    (NKJ)

    2 Cor 12:1

    1 It is doubtless not profitable for me to boast. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord:
    (NKJ)

    Rom 15:18-19
    18 For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ has not accomplished through me, in word and deed, to make the Gentiles obedient--
    19 in mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God, so that from Jerusalem and round about to Illyricum I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.
    (NKJ)
    The imagination is the devil's playground. A person may have an active or vivid imagination. A child has an imagination. That should not be taken away, though fantasy, make-believe, and fairytales should be. Some people tell or make up stories. You can rather tell a true story. What is moral training? Teach God's Law by teaching His Commandments. Do not kill an unborn child for having an imagination. What is tough?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    The imagination is the devil's playground. A person may have an active or vivid imagination. A child has an imagination. That should not be taken away, though fantasy, make-believe, and fairytales should be. Some people tell or make up stories. You can rather tell a true story. What is moral training? Teach God's Law by teaching His Commandments. Do not kill an unborn child for having an imagination. What is tough?
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    Jesus not only changed the law. He change the definition of justice.

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