toldailytopic: End times. Are we in them?
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Krsto
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Let's see, the majority of the OT church was waiting for the Messiah and missed his 1st Coming, even though it was right under their noses. Could it be the majority of the NT church was waiting for his 2nd Coming and missed it as well, even though it was right under their noses?
If you think not, then that proves the old addage: If we learn anything from history it's that we don't learn anything from history.
Do you know why they missed it? Afterall, they hailed him as he rode in on a donkey through the exact gate.
Whatever you do, don't believe the Bible.
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I still like the explanation of the end times as explained by those that believe the end times had already happened in AD 69-70. Many suggests that I not believe those Already Happened theology. So far, those theologies made more sense to me.
After seeing the movie, 2012 I'm wondering about the frequent earthquakes and it's relationship to the story told in the movie, 2012. The movie starts off with frequent earthquakes in the year, 2009-2010 and kept secret by the governments up to 2012.
Trumpetfolker
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@ knight
Paul tells us in Galatians that "the mother of us all" (whether, formerly, Jew or Greek) is the Desolate Woman of Isaiah 54 whose Husband is her Maker. Thus, the end times will be characterized by believers who are taught by the Lord and who inherit the nations recognizing that they ARE the Israel of God and the twelve tribes in dispersion.
Our mother, the Desolate Woman, was a wife of the Lord's youth who was rejected. She was divorced.
The first part of Isaiah 54 was fulfilled in Paul's day. Difficulty in interpretation comes from the fact that the 'mother' of the true believer seems to be the land itself to which true believers will, someday, return- and that as her unrecognized children.
When the true believers do come out of Babylon (whether by separation into priestal communities or by martyrdom), apparently, there is a simultaneous reformation in the world's governments which does away with commerce as we know it. Thus, no one buys the goods of the merchants ever again.
Actually, I believe the reformation of world government forces true believers to leave Babylonian entities. When this happens, the Babylonian entities can no longer function- it being that they survived only because true believers have grace from God.
The leaders of Judah, having lost the wife they were "escorting" to the kings ("the daughter of a strange god"), realizes that unity with the true believers is their only hope, and they convert to the New Covenant and allow us to come back to Jerusalem.
That's when the Lamb returns from heaven with an army that can't be killed.
That's what it looks like to me, and since dispensationalism is based upon lies about the definitions of words chosen by the Holy Ghost, at least THEY will never prove me wrong.
@ knight
Paul tells us in Galatians that "the mother of us all" (whether, formerly, Jew or Greek) is the Desolate Woman of Isaiah 54 whose Husband is her Maker. Thus, the end times will be characterized by believers who are taught by the Lord and who inherit the nations recognizing that they ARE the Israel of God and the twelve tribes in dispersion.
Our mother, the Desolate Woman, was a wife of the Lord's youth who was rejected. She was divorced.
The Lord had two sisters- Israel and Judah- for wives. He only divorced one- Israel. Judah's marriage to the Lord ended when the Jews rejected the Lord as her king (preferring Caesar), and had Jesus killed.
The first part of Isaiah 54 was fulfilled in Paul's day. Difficulty in interpretation comes from the fact that the 'mother' of the true believer seems to be the land itself to which true believers will, someday, return- and that as her unrecognized children.
That this is written to the divorced wife and NOT Judah is clear.
Right now, the children of the Desolate Woman are still mingled with the nations where they are being misinformed concerning their heritage by Babylonian ideas which have been given personhood as the Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth has fornicated with the governments of all nations. Mystery Babylon seems to be the wife of Judah writing of which is found In Malachi.
Until the true believers prepare themselves by ignoring the propaganda of Babylon and coming out of her (thus establishing themselves on earth as an identifiable ethnos with the values of heaven), they will not be ready to populate Beulah Land.
When the true believers do come out of Babylon (whether by separation into priestal communities or by martyrdom), apparently, there is a simultaneous reformation in the world's governments which does away with commerce as we know it. Thus, no one buys the goods of the merchants ever again.
Actually, I believe the reformation of world government forces true believers to leave Babylonian entities. When this happens, the Babylonian entities can no longer function- it being that they survived only because true believers have grace from God.
The leaders of Judah, having lost the wife they were "escorting" to the kings ("the daughter of a strange god"), realizes that unity with the true believers is their only hope, and they convert to the New Covenant and allow us to come back to Jerusalem.
As it stands, now, the true believers- the Israel of God- are not welcome as inhabitants of the earthly Jerusalem- and haven't been for a long time.
The reformed world government burns Mystery Babylon (made useless by the loss of true believers) down, and, then, sets sights on the Lamb by coming against the wife of the Lamb- Israel.
That's when the Lamb returns from heaven with an army that can't be killed.
That's what it looks like to me, and since dispensationalism is based upon lies about the definitions of words chosen by the Holy Ghost, at least THEY will never prove me wrong.
"dispensationalism is
based upon lies"
My former Seventh-day Adventist boss kept on talking about the gaps between the end time prophecies and challenged me to find it. I re-read all my end-time books and couldn't find the 2,000 + year gaps in Daniel's prophecies. I doubt dispensationalism is true. Most of the popular end-time propaganda's were based on a very sick girl who had visions probably after a coma according to Jeffery Grant on PBS story about the rapture. The story was a dead give away.
based upon lies"
My former Seventh-day Adventist boss kept on talking about the gaps between the end time prophecies and challenged me to find it. I re-read all my end-time books and couldn't find the 2,000 + year gaps in Daniel's prophecies. I doubt dispensationalism is true. Most of the popular end-time propaganda's were based on a very sick girl who had visions probably after a coma according to Jeffery Grant on PBS story about the rapture. The story was a dead give away.
Trumpetfolker
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If you want to know why we are having an increase of earthquakes, read Psalms 82 and Proverbs 30:21-23.
The sons of the Most High who defend the rich and powerful from the poor and afflicted are the cause of these earthquakes.
@ Tulipbee
If you want to know why we are having an increase of earthquakes, read Psalms 82 and Proverbs 30:21-23.
The sons of the Most High who defend the rich and powerful from the poor and afflicted are the cause of these earthquakes.
Oh no... it's Sozo
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You have a wicked, unbelieving heart.
Trumpetfolker
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@ Sozo
@ Sozo
I believe the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob was able to say what He meant in a way that the simple could become wise.
I believe He had the good will to say what He meant.
I believe He had the power to preserve the words He said.
I believe that what He said is beyond the kin of men's imagination, and THAT is why men misinterpret His message. They lean to their own understanding.
Obviously, you do not have the power to perceive a man with a believing heart so your witness is useless.
Bye-Bye.
@ Sozo
I believe the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob was able to say what He meant in a way that the simple could become wise.
I believe He had the good will to say what He meant.
I believe He had the power to preserve the words He said.
I believe that what He said is beyond the kin of men's imagination, and THAT is why men misinterpret His message. They lean to their own understanding.
Obviously, you do not have the power to perceive a man with a believing heart so your witness is useless.
Bye-Bye.
Oh no... it's Sozo
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Like the Pharisess, you put your trust in Moses (Law), completely negating Christ, and the cross. You preach a ministry of death and condemnation, because you trust in your own righteousness, rejecting Christ's.
People do not incur God's wrath because of their behavior, but because they do not believe in Jesus. You pervert the Gospel.
Hi Trumpetfolker,
Just for you to ponder:
A being was standing before a JUDGE on a day of judgment. Take a look at the questions and statements this individual spoke, and then ask yourself whether the judge was a good guy or a bad guy.
The being or individual asks:
How long (judge) will you judge unjustly, by accepting the persons of the wicked;
[How long (judge) will you] defend the poor and the fatherless;
[How long (judge) will you] do justice to the afflicted and needy;
[How long (judge) will you] rid them out of the hand of the wicked?
They (these wicked, but poor, fatherless, afflicted, and needy persons in need of being rescued from the wicked) know not, neither will they understand; for they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
Did you, Trumpetfolker, notice that these PERSONS were not referred to as rich and famous persons? Yet, I would guess that the rich and famous are just as poor and needy as the rest of us when it comes to needing God's mercy.
Did you notice that the one speaking was accusing the judge for accepting the PERSONS of the wicked by defending them, treating them justly; and rescuing them out of the hand of the wicked?
Now, for a few questions:
Who are the persons who are fatherless, poor, and needy?
Who are the persons who need to be rescued?
Who are the persons to whom God has shown his mercy by treating them justly even though they are wicked?
Who are the persons, who are associated with the whole earth being out of course?
The ANSWER to all the questions is: MANKIND!
The one speaking before the JUDGE was accusing the JUDGE of being unfair for being so merciful to man. In the process of his questioning he was describing many of the truths about humanity... and revealed that he just did not understand how a FAIR JUDGE could overlook such a pitiful sinful lot.
So, who was The JUDGE judging that day among the congregation of the gods?
ANSWER:
The most High God. I think that he was being a very fair JUDGE... to us persons.
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Trumpetfolker
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Sozo, your accusation is less than invalid. You are bringing a charge against the elect.
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!
Oh no... it's Sozo
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Wrong. God's elect would never say what you said, thus proving yourself as not being one of God's elect.
Trumpetfolker
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@ Ps 82
@ Ps 82
Jesus, in citing this passage, says that the "gods" are those who received the word of God.
That is why some are sick and some are dead, just as is written in Ps 82...
So, the biggest problem faced by God's people under both covenants was resisting the temptation to cater to the rich. Even today, if anything characterizes first world Christianity, it's equating capitalism with good Bible wisdom.
Neither Jesus nor Paul would find any more support for their message in America, today, than they found in Judea, then; and, neither do any men who sow those same spiritual things.
That's a killer- literally.
@ Ps 82
Jesus, in citing this passage, says that the "gods" are those who received the word of God.
Jesus is Him whose name is called The Word of God. The problem encountered by all who receive the word of God is that they find out that it brings only persecution. Though it tastes like honey on their tongue, digestion of it is uncomfortable.
However, men will attempt to seduce and some will turn back as did Demas. Today, most have been deceived by the love of money and love the rich more than they love the poor (James 2) and fail to discern the poor members of the body of Christ as as valuable as the rich members(1 Co 11:20-30).
That is why some are sick and some are dead, just as is written in Ps 82...
What was the one thing that The Eleven insisted that Paul remember?
What charge did Paul give to Timothy to charge the rich?
Timothy was ordered to order the rich to communize.
Communicate, here, is the same word that is used to describe the first economy of the Acts believers; they had all things in common.
So, the biggest problem faced by God's people under both covenants was resisting the temptation to cater to the rich. Even today, if anything characterizes first world Christianity, it's equating capitalism with good Bible wisdom.
Neither Jesus nor Paul would find any more support for their message in America, today, than they found in Judea, then; and, neither do any men who sow those same spiritual things.
That's a killer- literally.
Hi trumpetfolker,
I'm prone to believe that we may very well be getting close to the end of things as we know them due to Israel's return in 1948.
Regarding the revelation in Ps. 82.
I agree with you and also know that it was the 'gods', who received the WORD that day ... from the most High God, the JUDGE... In fact, one of the 'gods' was speaking to GOD the JUDGE and accusing HIM of being unfair.
You see one of the 'gods' was speaking, but his fellow 'gods' were also there, and they were all being judged that day.
In their defense the one speaking made accusations against two - against God the JUDGE and against mankind. I'm sure you noticed that he mentioned PERSONS in his dialogue.
With his dialogue he argued that God was too merciful to man; therefore, God was being unfair to him and the rest of his fellow 'gods'. Mankind was just too pitiful and unworthy of the GOD's kindness, and now he and his fellow 'gods' were on trial.
In the end the one speaking and his fellow 'gods' were sentenced by the JUDGE. They were sentenced to DIE LIKE MEN... that means to die the same as men... and to fall like one of the princes.
I have theories about who the princes are:
They were sons of Adam who ruled among men ... and probably the powerful leaders among the tribes of Israel. (Num. 1:16) ... and might even be from among the Gentiles (Matthew 20:25)... or even these future of princes of Judah that Jesus met - (I Corinthians 2:6,7,8) who would have not crucified Jesus if they had understood the great mystery hidden in God - which was the the Lord Jesus was the promised one before the world was ... and was the one present at the event in Ps. 82:8, who would arise, judge, and inherit the nations.
But regarding Psalm 82 as a reference about the 'end times' :
Now, there is a connection of Psalms 82 and the very end of the 'end times'. It is the fact that the time of the guilty 'gods' is near... the time where they will die like men and fall like one of the princes.
A sign of the end of the 'end' will be that Satan and his fellow fallen 'gods' will become highly active, for they will know that their time is near.
I'm prone to believe that we may very well be getting close to the end of things as we know them due to Israel's return in 1948.
Regarding the revelation in Ps. 82.
I agree with you and also know that it was the 'gods', who received the WORD that day ... from the most High God, the JUDGE... In fact, one of the 'gods' was speaking to GOD the JUDGE and accusing HIM of being unfair.
You see one of the 'gods' was speaking, but his fellow 'gods' were also there, and they were all being judged that day.
In their defense the one speaking made accusations against two - against God the JUDGE and against mankind. I'm sure you noticed that he mentioned PERSONS in his dialogue.
With his dialogue he argued that God was too merciful to man; therefore, God was being unfair to him and the rest of his fellow 'gods'. Mankind was just too pitiful and unworthy of the GOD's kindness, and now he and his fellow 'gods' were on trial.
In the end the one speaking and his fellow 'gods' were sentenced by the JUDGE. They were sentenced to DIE LIKE MEN... that means to die the same as men... and to fall like one of the princes.
I have theories about who the princes are:
They were sons of Adam who ruled among men ... and probably the powerful leaders among the tribes of Israel. (Num. 1:16) ... and might even be from among the Gentiles (Matthew 20:25)... or even these future of princes of Judah that Jesus met - (I Corinthians 2:6,7,8) who would have not crucified Jesus if they had understood the great mystery hidden in God - which was the the Lord Jesus was the promised one before the world was ... and was the one present at the event in Ps. 82:8, who would arise, judge, and inherit the nations.
But regarding Psalm 82 as a reference about the 'end times' :
Now, there is a connection of Psalms 82 and the very end of the 'end times'. It is the fact that the time of the guilty 'gods' is near... the time where they will die like men and fall like one of the princes.
A sign of the end of the 'end' will be that Satan and his fellow fallen 'gods' will become highly active, for they will know that their time is near.
Krsto
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When was the TIME OF THE END in Matthew 24:14?
When was the TIME OF THE END in Matthew 24:14?
When was the TIME OF THE END in Matthew 24:14?
Matthew 24:14 - And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
According to An Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words by W. E. Vine, the second definition of oikoumene is: of the Roman Empire, the world as viewed by the writer or speaker, as in the following verses:
Luke 2:1 And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.
Acts 11:28 Then one of them, named Agabus, stood up and showed by the Spirit that there was going to be a great famine throughout all the world, which also happened in the days of Claudius Caesar. (The NIV translators even insert Roman before world, though it’s not in the Greek text.)
Acts 24:5 For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes:
According to Paul in Romans, the Gospel did go into all the world by the time he wrote Romans:
Romans 10:17-18. Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ. But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did: "Their voice has gone out into all the earth (ghay), their words to the ends of the world” (oikoumene).
The other Greek word used in this verse, ghay, is similar to oikoumene as it does not always mean the earth as we know it but as they knew it, as in the following verses:
Luke 11:31 The Queen of the South will rise at the judgment with the men of this generation and condemn them; for she came from the ends of the earth to listen to Solomon's wisdom . . .
Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Mt. 24:14 being fulfilled in the first century is consistent with every other use of the words translated as “end times,” “last days,” etc. Here are a few examples that show clearly that the first century church was living in the end times:
Acts 2:16-17 - This (the Day of Pentecost) is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: “In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people.”
2 Timothy 3:1,2,5 - This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. People shall be lovers of themselves . . . Have nothing to do with them.
Hebrews 1:1,2 - In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things.
James 5:1-4, 8 - Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming upon you. Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. Look! The wages you failed to pay the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. The coming of the Lord is at hand.
1 Peter 4:7 The end of all things is near. Therefore be clear minded and self-controlled so that you can pray.
Hebrews 9:26 Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.
1 John 2:18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
Jude 1:16-19 These men are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage. But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, "In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires." These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.
Rev. 1:1 - The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,
Rev. 1:3 - Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.
Rev. 22:7,12,20 – I am coming soon!
Mt. 16:27 – Some standing here will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming.
Mt. 24:34 - I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
In the Old Testament the Hebrew word often translated “last days” in many cases means nothing more than “in future days,” “a later time,” or “in days to come.” An example of this is Deut. 31:29 when Moses said, “I know that after my death you will act corruptly and turn from the way which I have commanded you, and evil will befall you in the latter days, for you will do that which is evil in the sight of the Lord.” In Ezek. 38:16 the latter days refers to the period of the judges. (Jud. 2:20-21) Daniel interpreted Nebuchadnezzar’s dream, explaining to him what would happen in “the latter days” (Dan. 2:28), that is, after his death.
Now that we have established the time of the “time of the end” to be during the first century and we know the world did not end at that time, the next question to answer is, what did end? The short answer is, the Old Covenant, and more specifically, the political and religious power of the Old Covenant church as controlled by the Pharisees and Sadducees.
When was the TIME OF THE END in Matthew 24:14?
When was the TIME OF THE END in Matthew 24:14?
Matthew 24:14 - And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
According to An Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words by W. E. Vine, the second definition of oikoumene is: of the Roman Empire, the world as viewed by the writer or speaker, as in the following verses:
Luke 2:1 And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.
Acts 11:28 Then one of them, named Agabus, stood up and showed by the Spirit that there was going to be a great famine throughout all the world, which also happened in the days of Claudius Caesar. (The NIV translators even insert Roman before world, though it’s not in the Greek text.)
Acts 24:5 For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes:
According to Paul in Romans, the Gospel did go into all the world by the time he wrote Romans:
Romans 10:17-18. Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ. But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did: "Their voice has gone out into all the earth (ghay), their words to the ends of the world” (oikoumene).
The other Greek word used in this verse, ghay, is similar to oikoumene as it does not always mean the earth as we know it but as they knew it, as in the following verses:
Luke 11:31 The Queen of the South will rise at the judgment with the men of this generation and condemn them; for she came from the ends of the earth to listen to Solomon's wisdom . . .
Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Mt. 24:14 being fulfilled in the first century is consistent with every other use of the words translated as “end times,” “last days,” etc. Here are a few examples that show clearly that the first century church was living in the end times:
Acts 2:16-17 - This (the Day of Pentecost) is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: “In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people.”
2 Timothy 3:1,2,5 - This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. People shall be lovers of themselves . . . Have nothing to do with them.
Hebrews 1:1,2 - In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things.
James 5:1-4, 8 - Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming upon you. Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. Look! The wages you failed to pay the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. The coming of the Lord is at hand.
1 Peter 4:7 The end of all things is near. Therefore be clear minded and self-controlled so that you can pray.
Hebrews 9:26 Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.
1 John 2:18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
Jude 1:16-19 These men are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage. But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, "In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires." These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.
Rev. 1:1 - The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,
Rev. 1:3 - Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.
Rev. 22:7,12,20 – I am coming soon!
Mt. 16:27 – Some standing here will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming.
Mt. 24:34 - I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
In the Old Testament the Hebrew word often translated “last days” in many cases means nothing more than “in future days,” “a later time,” or “in days to come.” An example of this is Deut. 31:29 when Moses said, “I know that after my death you will act corruptly and turn from the way which I have commanded you, and evil will befall you in the latter days, for you will do that which is evil in the sight of the Lord.” In Ezek. 38:16 the latter days refers to the period of the judges. (Jud. 2:20-21) Daniel interpreted Nebuchadnezzar’s dream, explaining to him what would happen in “the latter days” (Dan. 2:28), that is, after his death.
Now that we have established the time of the “time of the end” to be during the first century and we know the world did not end at that time, the next question to answer is, what did end? The short answer is, the Old Covenant, and more specifically, the political and religious power of the Old Covenant church as controlled by the Pharisees and Sadducees.
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I'm with you!
I'm with you!
The people who spread gloom and doom take the light out of any endeavor in which other people engage. They, of course, take smug pleasure in doing so. May God preserve me from the "I told you so" people. I don't think you were harsh at all. If you said "Let me help you dig your hole!" and then pushed him in it, well, that would be a little harsh! lol, bybee
I'm with you!
The people who spread gloom and doom take the light out of any endeavor in which other people engage. They, of course, take smug pleasure in doing so. May God preserve me from the "I told you so" people. I don't think you were harsh at all. If you said "Let me help you dig your hole!" and then pushed him in it, well, that would be a little harsh! lol, bybee
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