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    Quote Originally Posted by way 2 go View Post
    well thankfully your believing it does not make it so .


    spirit goes to be with the lord now , unlike Lazarus who went to Abraham's side but is now with the lord . Eph 4:8

    Luk 23:43 And he said to him, "Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise."

    2Co_5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
    Exactly....because Christ has risen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by way 2 go View Post
    well thankfully your believing it does not make it so .


    spirit goes to be with the lord now , unlike Lazarus who went to Abraham's side but is now with the lord . Eph 4:8

    Luk 23:43 And he said to him, "Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise."

    2Co_5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
    If your right the Bible is wrong.
    Psalm 1[/COLOR] and Job 28:28

    Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

    I love the God of my Lord Jesus Christ

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    Quote Originally Posted by way 2 go View Post
    well thankfully your believing it does not make it so .


    spirit goes to be with the lord now , unlike Lazarus who went to Abraham's side but is now with the lord . Eph 4:8
    Paul is clear we are with the Lord only upon resurrection of the dead upon His return

    Luk 23:43 And he said to him, "Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise."
    not even He was in paradise that day...

    what happened that day is that He said “you will be with me in Paradise”...arriving when the rest of dead in Him do...shortly after resurrection day

    2Co_5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
    Absent from the body IS NOT immediately present with the Lord...to be absent the body AND present is only after the resurrection day...

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    Quote Originally Posted by way 2 go View Post

    Php 1:23 For I am pressed together by the two: having a desire to depart and to be with Christ, which is far better.
    I feel the same way as Paul did when he wrote these words, but he knows that he will wake in what will seem like a second even if it takes a million year for his return for us. This does not prove your point friend.
    Psalm 1[/COLOR] and Job 28:28

    Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by way 2 go View Post
    well thankfully your believing it does not make it so .


    spirit goes to be with the lord now , unlike Lazarus who went to Abraham's side but is now with the lord . Eph 4:8

    Luk 23:43 And he said to him, "Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise."

    2Co_5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
    Where is Paradise?

    If you say heaven I will tell you that three days later Jesus said he had not seen his Father yet.


    In Luke 23:43 the comma is in the wrong place.
    Psalm 1[/COLOR] and Job 28:28

    Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

    I love the God of my Lord Jesus Christ

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    Quote Originally Posted by keypurr View Post
    If your right the Bible is wrong.
    the bible is right , I agree with the bible and you are wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    Paul is clear we are with the Lord only upon resurrection of the dead upon His return
    wrong

    not even He was in paradise that day...
    God

    what happened that day is that He said “you will be with me in Paradise”...arriving when the rest of dead in Him do...shortly after resurrection day
    today
    Luk 23:43 And he said to him, "Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise."
    Absent from the body IS NOT immediately present with the Lord...to be absent the body AND present is only after the resurrection day...
    if the Christian's physical body is dead then his spirit is present with the lord which is why Paul would rather that.

    2Co_5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keypurr View Post
    I feel the same way as Paul did when he wrote these words, but he knows that he will wake in what will seem like a second even if it takes a million year for his return for us. This does not prove your point friend.
    if the Christian's physical body is dead then his spirit is present with the lord which is why Paul would rather that

    2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord

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    Quote Originally Posted by keypurr View Post
    Where is Paradise?

    If you say heaven I will tell you that three days later Jesus said he had not seen his Father yet.


    In Luke 23:43 the comma is in the wrong place.
    comma is in the right place.

    where is God ?

    Luk_3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by way 2 go View Post
    comma is in the right place.

    where is God ?

    Luk_3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
    It was not the Holy Ghost that made him the Christ, it was the logos. You need to talk less and read more if you want truth.

    Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

    What is that POWER?

    And the WORD (logos) became flesh...….
    Psalm 1[/COLOR] and Job 28:28

    Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by way 2 go View Post
    comma is in the right place.

    where is God ?

    Luk_3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
    Consider if Jesus had not yet seen his Father after he died for three days HOW could he be in Paradise on the day on the cross?????

    The comma is wrong.
    Psalm 1[/COLOR] and Job 28:28

    Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

    I love the God of my Lord Jesus Christ

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    Quote Originally Posted by keypurr View Post
    Consider if Jesus had not yet seen his Father after he died for three days HOW could he be in Paradise on the day on the cross?????

    The comma is wrong.
    what your talking about. Be explicit.
    He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keypurr View Post
    If your right the Bible is wrong.
    No, if he's right, YOUR BELIEFS about Scripture, NOT SCRIPTURE ITSELF, are wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keypurr View Post
    If your right the Bible is wrong.
    Stop trying to put your beliefs about scripture at the same level of scripture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    Paul is clear we are with the Lord only upon resurrection of the dead upon His return

    not even He was in paradise that day...

    what happened that day is that He said “you will be with me in Paradise”...arriving when the rest of dead in Him do...shortly after resurrection day



    Absent from the body IS NOT immediately present with the Lord...to be absent the body AND present is only after the resurrection day...
    Then WHY THE RUSH!?

    Why would he say that if he won't experience being with God until judgement day anyways?
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