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    The security software learns and blacklists Tor network, which makes sense given that a lot of spammers use the network to conduct their campaigns, but there is just plain old privacy also, as to why someone uses Tor, and the software doesn't know the difference, and blackballs the whole network, just to keep out the spammers.

    Twitter, Reddit, don't have this access problem. Other social media also, not just those. TOL is locked up tight to Tor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Everything will be alright.
    There's a LOT of Dispensationalists who don't seem to be here anymore. This could spell a severe course-correction, like on the scale of when TOL went from OV to Dispensationalist, depending upon how the chips fall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Idolater View Post
    There's a LOT of Dispensationalists who don't seem to be here anymore. This could spell a severe course-correction, like on the scale of when TOL went from OV to Dispensationalist, depending upon how the chips fall.
    No need to keep going over the irrefutable.
    It's been well taught here.
    The only ones that disagree with it are the kooks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    No need to keep going over the irrefutable.
    It's been well taught here.
    The only ones that disagree with it are the kooks.
    Oh Tambora, I'm not a kook.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Idolater View Post
    Oh Tambora, I'm not a kook.
    Cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    23 guests and under 100 members in the last 2 days for the joint. Not good.
    I wonder why.
    As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes."
    When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics."
    When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty
    -- to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusha View Post
    I wonder why.
    I think some of it is the decline of forums and the rise of FB and Twitter, but beyond that the rep wars, the semi-secret society, and the inequity of treatment for a lot of people whose contributions were integral to creating an entertaining atmosphere of conversation had a hand in the decline. A one sided argument is just a blog or a lecture backed by power...and after a solid infusion of new voices years ago, revelations about that inequity, petty perks handed out sub rosa, protections for some of the worst voices coupled with frequently confusing slaps at those who simply failed to toe the popular line began to create a steady murmur among those outside of the power structure, a growing dissatisfaction that was largely ignored. And I say that as someone who only had one infraction since 2007 and who counted many in that structure among my friends, so I'm not bearing a grudge on the point, but I noticed people treated with a heavy hand for not much more than irritating the old guard while a few among them, coddled trolls who flew essential flags in exercising their bilious natures, had to essentially flame out or abuse the rules beyond the point of any rational defense before anything happened to them.

    I suspect that if a concentrated effort had been made to level the playing field in those early years we'd have a thriving community yet. But it wasn't and we don't and I'm sorry to see it because I still like the joint and many who remain... I think it might be that the robust influx of voices from outside the comfort zone of that power structure sent them the wrong message in those years before the falling away began to be noticable. It's easy when you're in that position to think the product drew and will draw again, sustained and will find something like its feet again, when the fact is something else.

    The fact is that TOL thrived and grew despite its flaws because it had a myriad of graces attending. There were funny, intelligent, compelling people to be met and enjoined in serious and goofy conversation, subcultures of a sort, or simple alliances of likened temperaments and expectations, if not ideologies. And there were the community flourishes by the admin that covered a multitude of sins, like the much anticipated and enjoyed end of the year awards and Hall of Fame inductions. If at no other time, disparate voices would find themselves recognized and appreciated in a way that made the other nonsense bearable and by the prime mover and founder no less. When that was abandoned the irritations began to win the field and peel off more than a few who, losing any sense of belonging in the community to offset it, looked for other pursuits.

    So the individualized and entertaining profile pages went with iterations and that was lost. Then the week of being decent or silenced was abandoned. Then the thread awards were passed off to the old guard and anything like the more even hand and humor Knight had built the thing to be was lost, along with interest. And then the HOF went by the boards...and all along the numbers fell until TOL was just a whisper of what it had been. A place I come to now largely out of habit and because I'm sentimental, a few friendly faces remaining to tip hat at. Fewer and fewer people to talk to though and even fewer voices you can hold a public difference with in a way that's surprising or enjoyable.

    Maybe there comes a point where you simply lose too much of what matters. I suspect or hope that a sustained effort to recapture those things might, coupled with a real equality in application of rules and approach, bring the old girl back to a semblance of herself, though I'm unsure if the heyday is possible for the same reason network tv doesn't draw like it once did or could...and because the generations needed to fuel it are neither particularly accomplished readers or writers, sadly, it might not work regardless.

    But she was yar once upon a time and I counted myself fortunate to find her and take part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusha View Post
    I wonder why.
    I don't.

    "The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name." Exodus 15:3

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    Well said, TH!
    As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes."
    When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics."
    When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty
    -- to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    I think some of it is the decline of forums and the rise of FB and Twitter, but beyond that the rep wars, the semi-secret society, and the inequity of treatment for a lot of people whose contributions were integral to creating an entertaining atmosphere of conversation had a hand in the decline.
    It's a pretty sure bet SOOTs/MADs would be the first in line to blame the forum decline on "the left" (whether or not the label was accurate ) not having been banned en masse, leaving them their safe space with no challenge to their sources or their motivations. Despite having seen the handwriting on the wall for a long time, I think the era of Trump was the straw that broke the camel's back.
    So keep your candles burning

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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    ... I think the era of Trump was the straw that broke the camel's back.
    Eventually the leftists will run out of puppies to hug and they'll be back

    Heck, just the past couple days have seen rex and horn back

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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    It's a pretty sure bet SOOTs/MADs would be the first in line to blame the forum decline on "the left"
    They have been mostly silent and absent lately, and you STILL complain about the place and belittle them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    They have been mostly silent and absent lately,
    They'll be alright.

    and you STILL complain about the place and belittle them.
    You'll be alright too.
    So keep your candles burning

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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    They'll be alright.



    You'll be alright too.
    I've always been alright no matter how much you complain.

    "The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name." Exodus 15:3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    I've always been alright no matter how much you complain.
    Of course you have. You're in the protected class. That's why you love this place!
    So keep your candles burning

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