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    If you do not know what it means to be a Jew then you are not a Jew, true or false?

    If you do not know what it means to be a Jew then you are not a Jew, true or false?
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    In beginning He created God the heavens and the earth

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    According to the scriptures this is the definition of a True Jew:


    Rom. 2:28-29

    28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

    29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


    2 Tim. 3:16-17
    All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
    My soul thirsts for God, the God Who Lives Forever:
    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? -Psalm 42:2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanja View Post
    According to the scriptures this is the definition of a True Jew:


    Rom. 2:28-29

    28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

    29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


    2 Tim. 3:16-17
    All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
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    Not surprised by your response.

    I know you are prevented from believing all the scriptures 2 Cor. 4:3-4.
    My soul thirsts for God, the God Who Lives Forever:
    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? -Psalm 42:2

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    A Jew is a person who observes the Commandments of God. God has given us, the Nation of Israel, His Law.
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    In beginning He created God the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanja View Post
    Not surprised by your response.

    I know you are prevented from believing all the scriptures 2 Cor. 4:3-4.
    Incorrect again

    The TaNaK is Scripture
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    In beginning He created God the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Incorrect again

    The TaNaK is Scripture

    Satan the devil, according to the purpose and permitting of God, is the author of unbelief of the lost 2 Cor. 4:3-4.
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    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? -Psalm 42:2

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    Rom. 2:28-29

    28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

    29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
    My soul thirsts for God, the God Who Lives Forever:
    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? -Psalm 42:2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
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    The TaNaK is Scripture
    Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

    Now either (1) you were lost and confused before you converted to your present rebellion against Gal. 2:21 or (2) you were saved but confused and so you converted to your present rebellion against Gal. 2:21, and (3) are still saved, but even more confused.

    Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

    You're in over your head.

    Plain and simple.

    And you are still a Gentile - you simply don't know the Scripture on this issue as well as you think you do.

    Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

    Rom. 5:6-8.

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    Ezek. 36:26-27

    26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

    27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
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    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? -Psalm 42:2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    A Jew is a person who observes the Commandments of God. God has given us, the Nation of Israel, His Law.

    The Israel Christ died for Is. 45:17, by His Obedience alone on their behalf Rom. 5:19, shall be made Righteous !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanja View Post
    Ezek. 36:26-27

    26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

    27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
    Take this how you might, it needs to be pointed out.

    If those passages are the case, then you really need to think about why you need to read about things in books supposedly "about" the things of God.

    Fact of the matter - those passages are not your promise.

    Plain and simple.

    O, you'll argue otherwise, and even post this or that passage in supposed support of your position.

    But the fact of the matter is that you well know that you have to read "about" things in your books "about" them.

    That you do not automatically know the Father's will as promised ISRAEL in passages like those.

    Just as you well know that you find you have to work at being obedient to the Word.

    That the promise of automatic compliance is also simply NOT your reality.

    You and yours might as well rip passages like Romans 6 put of your Bibles.

    For you deny its stark contrast to the reality promised ISRAEL in HER New Covenant.

    Rom. 5:6-8.

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    What ? lol!

    The Israel of God Promised Salvation is not a physical nation, but the Spiritual Nation, God's Elect, His Church, the Body of Christ !

    Is 45:17
    But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

    God never promised to save all of mankind , but just a Special Portion of it called Israel !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanja View Post
    Satan the devil, according to the purpose and permitting of God, is the author of unbelief of the lost 2 Cor. 4:3-4.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nanja View Post
    Rom. 2:28-29

    28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

    29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
    Revi'i, Third Month Second Day
    Laylah Night Omer 46

    Very nice but a man must be circumcised to belong to Israel.
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    In beginning He created God the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

    Now either (1) you were lost and confused before you converted to your present rebellion against Gal. 2:21 or (2) you were saved but confused and so you converted to your present rebellion against Gal. 2:21, and (3) are still saved, but even more confused.

    Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

    You're in over your head.

    Plain and simple.

    And you are still a Gentile - you simply don't know the Scripture on this issue as well as you think you do.

    Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

    Rom. 5:6-8.
    Revi'i, Third Month Second Day
    Laylah Night Omer 46

    Incorrect

    I wrestled through these things pertaining to being a Christian and if I could be a Jew and observe obey God's Commandments as a child, and revisited the matter after many years of being a Christian, but not as you are describing here.
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    In beginning He created God the heavens and the earth

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