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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Rabbit trail.What are points made in Op ?
    You quoted Romans 5:15 and A7 is questioning your understanding of the "grace" mentioned in the verse. Try and keep up.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    And being Justified by the Grace of God and the Gift by Grace, Life is given from being dead, hence Justification of Life Rom 5:18. Those Christ died for shall not remain spiritually dead, for what Christ did for them shall offset that which made them be of the many that be made dead .

    Those who Christ died for are still born into the world spiritually dead, dead in sin, having died in Adam who was their legal head at creation, hence Rom 5:15

    But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead[ see Rom 5:12], much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

    But nevertheless because of their legal connection with and in Christ the head of His Church, they receive Justification of life Rom 5:18

    18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

    This term life will offset death, or being dead. Its the greek word z and means:

    life, both of physical (present) and of spiritual (particularly future) existence.


    Spiritual life is denoted here, because where God gives righteousness/Justification, He also must and does give Spiritual Life. Righteousness tends to Life Prov 11:19

    As righteousness tendeth to life: so he that pursueth evil pursueth it to his own death.

    Prov 12:28

    In the way of righteousness is life: and in the pathway thereof there is no death.

    Christ sends His Spirit unto every Spiritually dead sinner He died for, to give them Spiritual Life Jn 5:21

    For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.

    1 Cor 15:45

    45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening[Life giving] spirit.

    Which Spiritual life given by the Spirit gives also Faith in Christ !
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Rabbit trail.What are points made in Op ?
    Look at you.....you don't have a clue as to what you even posted...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apple7 View Post
    Look at you.....you don't have a clue as to what you even posted...
    Evasion and rabbit trail

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    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Evasion and rabbit trail

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    He's not evading anything, you are, answer the question and stop accusing him of doing what you are actually guilty of doing.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    And being Justified by the Grace of God and the Gift by Grace, Life is given from being dead, hence Justification of Life Rom 5:18. Those Christ died for shall not remain spiritually dead, for what Christ did for them shall offset that which made them be of the many that be made dead .

    Those who Christ died for are still born into the world spiritually dead, dead in sin, having died in Adam who was their legal head at creation, hence Rom 5:15

    But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead[ see Rom 5:12], much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

    But nevertheless because of their legal connection with and in Christ the head of His Church, they receive Justification of life Rom 5:18

    18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

    This term life will offset death, or being dead. Its the greek word z and means:

    life, both of physical (present) and of spiritual (particularly future) existence.


    Spiritual life is denoted here, because where God gives righteousness/Justification, He also must and does give Spiritual Life. Righteousness tends to Life Prov 11:19

    As righteousness tendeth to life: so he that pursueth evil pursueth it to his own death.

    Prov 12:28

    In the way of righteousness is life: and in the pathway thereof there is no death.

    Christ sends His Spirit unto every Spiritually dead sinner He died for, to give them Spiritual Life Jn 5:21

    For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.

    1 Cor 15:45

    45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening[Life giving] spirit.

    Which Spiritual life given by the Spirit gives also Faith in Christ !

    Amen. All those Christ died for, His Chosen Elect, His Body or Sheep, are Blessed to have Eternal Life charged to their account from Everlasting 2 Tim. 1:9 even before they are born, because legally it's owed to them. And it becomes experimental in time when they are quickened / born again and given Faith to Believe on Him Gal. 5:22 because Righteousness brings Life Rom. 5:18; 6:23.
    My soul thirsts for God, the God Who Lives Forever:
    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? -Psalm 42:2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanja View Post
    Amen. All those Christ died for, His Chosen Elect, His Body or Sheep, are Blessed to have Eternal Life charged to their account from Everlasting 2 Tim. 1:9 even before they are born, because legally it's owed to them. And it becomes experimental in time when they are quickened / born again and given Faith to Believe on Him Gal. 5:22 because Righteousness brings Life Rom. 5:18; 6:23.
    Nobody is denying any of this. The question asked was in regard to the grace mentioned in the OP. What is meant or intellectually conveyed by the two occasions "grace" is used in Rom 5:15. A recipient of that grace would have no problem in describing the effect it has when spiritually and emotionally received in time.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    because legally it's owed to them.
    Yes, for Christ's sake it is , because He fulfilled all the conditions for them unto that end .
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
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    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
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    Yes, for Christ's sake it is , because He fulfilled all the conditions for them unto that end .

    Amen, because Christ our Head Lives so shall we His Body.
    My soul thirsts for God, the God Who Lives Forever:
    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? -Psalm 42:2

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    Quote Originally Posted by keypurr View Post
    Glad you see that Jesus was a MAN, not God.
    Jesus was sinless. What man was ever born in this world and sinless? Only God is sinless.

    Born of God through a virgin, Emanuel...meaning God with us. Then given the Spirit without measure.

    John 3:34 KJV
    For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him .


    1 John 5:7-8 KJV
    For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. [8] And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.


    I know it might take a while to understand. God coming to earth, through His Son, to reconcile us to Himself. Open your eyes.

    John 20:28-29 KJV
    And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. [29] Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pondsbb View Post
    Jesus was sinless. What man was ever born in this world and sinless? Only God is sinless.

    Born of God through a virgin, Emanuel...meaning God with us. Then given the Spirit without measure.

    John 3:34 KJV
    For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him .


    1 John 5:7-8 KJV
    For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. [8] And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.


    I know it might take a while to understand. God coming to earth, through His Son, to reconcile us to Himself. Open your eyes.

    John 20:28-29 KJV
    And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. [29] Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

    Sent from my RCT6303W87DK using Tapatalk
    Jesus, the man, had to be sinless to be the Lamb of God. I assume you understand Hebrew culture.

    God did not come to Earth, he sent his Son.

    Your right about the spirit son, logos, being given the fullness of his creator.
    Psalm 1[/COLOR] and Job 28:28

    Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

    I love the God of my Lord Jesus Christ

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    Quote Originally Posted by pondsbb View Post
    Jesus was sinless. What man was ever born in this world and sinless? Only God is sinless.

    Born of God through a virgin, Emanuel...meaning God with us. Then given the Spirit without measure.

    John 3:34 KJV
    For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him .


    1 John 5:7-8 KJV
    For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. [8] And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.


    I know it might take a while to understand. God coming to earth, through His Son, to reconcile us to Himself. Open your eyes.

    John 20:28-29 KJV
    And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. [29] Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

    Sent from my RCT6303W87DK using Tapatalk
    Do not overlook John 17:3

    Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.


    YHWH is the only true God friend, believe your Lord.
    Psalm 1[/COLOR] and Job 28:28

    Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

    I love the God of my Lord Jesus Christ

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    Quote Originally Posted by keypurr View Post
    Do not overlook John 17:3

    Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.


    YHWH is the only true God friend, believe your Lord.
    Yes, God's son is sinless. No earthly man can be sinless. Fully human to endure tempting, fully God to remain sinless.

    1 John 5:5-9 KJV
    Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? [6] This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. [7] For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. [8] And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. [9] If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

    The Father, The Word, and the Holy Ghost are one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keypurr View Post
    Do not overlook John 17:3

    Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.


    YHWH is the only true God friend, believe your Lord.
    Do not overlook 2 Corinthians 5:18-19 KJV
    And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; [19] To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

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