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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    Sure, but it is nothing more than an evidence of said Jew's ignorance.

    Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

    Rom. 5:6-8.
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    No, incorrect.

    Jews know the one true God. This is not ignorance.
    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    Yep.

    Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

    In fact, The RCC's endless idols fraud is exactly what prompted Martin Luther to pick up a Bible in an attempt to get at the truth of the matter.

    Which ended him up at the Apostle Paul's...

    Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

    Result?

    The Protestant Reformation.

    But the RCC and its ever blind idol worshippers, is still trying to sell its fraud on the unsuspecting.

    Thank God for Romans 5: 6-8 - in each our stead.
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    In beginning He created God the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by glassjester View Post
    So are the cherubim in 1 Kings idols, or not?
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    Great question. Think on it and don't take my word for it. They are not. Some people believe that they are.
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    In beginning He created God the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tnkrbl123! View Post
    You do not even know what Christianity is OBVIOUSLY ....i ENCOURAGE YOU to read the Bible and learn and understand before you attempt to teach....you have A LOT of learning to do...but before you deny Jesus you best understand what you are denying because THAT is the real danger
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    I am sorry but I do know what Christianity is and I do not deny Jesus. Watch your tongue.
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    In beginning He created God the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by glassjester View Post
    Better to just not address this, then?
    Revi'i, Third Month Second Day
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    I am not sure what you are saying if you are talking to me.
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    In beginning He created God the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    Where were the Cherubim?

    Very, very few had access to them.
    So? Were the statues idols or not?



    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    And Who ALONE decreed they be made?

    God.
    So? Were the statues idols or not?
    Your "catholic" is showing. - Sozo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    It is a mistake to look merely for a same word use.

    This is an issue, not of the things that differ between the Body and Israel, but of one of the various things both share in common.

    Both the born again Israelite (one day), and the member of God's New Creature: The Body of Christ (here and now), are the issue of regeneration.

    Both of which share a same origin, working in one's inward man, and so on....

    Both of which share The Spirit of God in the spirit of men, in common.

    Paul does bring up the Body's connection with Israel's New Testament - in 2 Cor. 3, etc.

    The Spirit of God.

    (though what Paul was actually addressing there was their [as with Law's] "outward appearance...after the flesh" legalism towards him).

    But both agencies share regeneration in common and by the Spirit.

    Ephesians 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

    The saints there are the Israel of God.

    The household of God there is comprised of both agencies: The Israel of God and the Body of Christ.

    Both are fellow citizens with one another.

    2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

    No surprise then that Paul quotes the following New Testament promise operating principle in the following...

    2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

    That is the same operating principle as in Ephesians 2.

    Ephesians 2 is the issue of the unity of both aspects of God's Two-Fold Purpose: Prophecy (Israel over the Nations of the Earth) and Mystery (the New Creature over God's Heavenly Host).

    Which is the Two-Fold Issue...

    Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

    The agency in both is The Spirit of God.

    Rom. 14:5; Rom. 5:6-8.
    Good job, Jerry.
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    Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
    By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by glassjester View Post
    Better to just not address this, then?
    Did God tell anyone to pray to the cherubim figures?
    "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
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    Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
    By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by glassjester View Post
    So? Were the statues idols or not?





    So? Were the statues idols or not?
    It is Revi'i, the Third Month the Second Day, Yom (Day), Omer 46.

    There are two options. Statues are idols or statues are not idols. I say that statues are idols. There are no exceptions. Read the commandment about idols.
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    In beginning He created God the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    Good job, Jerry.


    Good comeback.

    And no, Jerry does not hold the standard Acts 9 view on 2 Corinthians 3. He changes the words so that it does not refer to "the new testament."

    And I take it you do not hold the view that Ephesians 2 is describing both the Israel of God (Believing Remnant of Israel) and The Body of Christ (formerly lost Jews and Gentiles in the Body, this side of Israel's fall and temporary setting aside of their Covenants of Promise).

    The Israel of God the Gentiles were not a part of...

    Ephesians 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

    The Body of Christ, comprised of formerly lost Jews and Gentiles, this side of Israel's fall, and all that is described in verse 12 being temporarily delayed...

    Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

    Note "and to them that WERE nigh."

    Them that WERE nigh being Unbelieving Israel...

    Romans 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

    Ephesians 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

    Said formerly lost Jews and Gentiles this side of Israel's fall and temporary setting aside are now Body members and as a result are fellow citizens with the saints (the Israel of God)...within God's Two-Fold Purpose: Prophecy and Mystery...

    Ephesians 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

    For though Paul is addressing Gentiles, he has already included himself and his fellow, formerly lost Jews, this side of Israel's fall and temporary setting aside, in that...

    Ephesians 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

    Romans 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

    Ephesians 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved; ) 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

    So, you have Body members being mentioned at times (formerly lost Jews and Gentiles this side of Israel's fall), and the Israel of God being mentioned (Believing Remnant Of Israel) at other times, in all that.

    Paul also mentions both in passages like the following...

    Ephesians 1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

    Ephesians 3:15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,

    And so on...

    Rom. 14:5; 5:6-8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    Did God tell anyone to pray to the cherubim figures?
    Nope. Are you saying it's ok to have religious statues as long as you don't pray to them?
    Your "catholic" is showing. - Sozo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    I say that statues are idols. There are no exceptions.
    But does Scripture agree with you? Or is this your own personal interpretation?
    Your "catholic" is showing. - Sozo

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    Quote Originally Posted by glassjester View Post
    But does Scripture agree with you? Or is this your own personal interpretation?
    You are trying to justify sin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    You are trying to justify sin.
    No, sir. I am trying to understand why you believe that all statues are idols, when God, Himself, commanded the construction of statues.
    Your "catholic" is showing. - Sozo

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    Quote Originally Posted by glassjester View Post
    No, sir. I am trying to understand why you believe that all statues are idols, when God, Himself, commanded the construction of statues.
    That is where you are incorrect then, which is how I understood that there is or rather was something wrong with your thinking? I realize that you are trying to explain yourself, but God never wanted anyone to make a statue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    That is where you are incorrect then, which is how I understood that there is or rather was something wrong with your thinking? I realize that you are trying to explain yourself, but God never wanted anyone to make a statue.
    Perhaps you can explain the statues of the cherubim, then?
    Your "catholic" is showing. - Sozo

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