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    Quote Originally Posted by glassjester View Post
    Nope. Are you saying it's ok to have religious statues as long as you don't pray to them?
    Your question is fatally flawed.

    Word of the day:

    CONTEXT.

    Learn it.

    God commanded Israel -- alone -- to have those figures. They were not to bow down to, pray to, or otherwise worship them. That is the context you're trying to rob to make a point in favor of papist iconophilia.

    Christians have NO such example, instructions or commands from Christ nor any apostle, that even HINTS at such as what God told Israel to do when they had a specific place of worship to Him. Israel, and only for a specific time, had such, and you are not Israel.

    In fact, Israel had those figures ONLY in the immediate place of God's presence.

    The saved today (of which you are not one) ARE the place of God's presence. THEY are the temples of God. No place for images or icons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    The saved today (of which you are not one) ARE the place of God's presence. THEY are the temples of God. No place for images or icons.
    Are you of the same opinion as Jacob, then, that all statues are idols?
    Your "catholic" is showing. - Sozo

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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    Christians have NO such example, instructions or commands from Christ nor any apostle,
    Did they condemn statues?
    Your "catholic" is showing. - Sozo

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    Quote Originally Posted by glassjester View Post
    Did they condemn statues?
    One example of others that could just as easily be cited...

    Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

    You go right on ahead and believe what you need to.

    As the above also makes crystal clear - one's own ideas on an issue like this are also...an idol.

    Rom. 5: 6-8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glassjester View Post
    Are you of the same opinion as Jacob, then, that all statues are idols?
    The following facts have been pointed out here more than once in the past.

    Historically, there are primarily two types of Idol.

    One is a physical object that is believed to be indwelt by whatever it is being worshipped. In this case, to worship the thing is to worship whatever the thing represents. There is no difference between the two.

    The second type, the Catholic type today, is bowing down before something that is only a representation of someone else, either Christ or dead saints, using it as a point of contact with whoever the prayer actually addresses.

    Both are idolatry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    The second type, the Catholic type today, is bowing down before something that is only a representation of someone else, either Christ or dead saints, using it as a point of contact with whoever the prayer actually addresses.
    Not necessarily a "point of contact," more of a visual reminder or representation. Similar to a photograph. Do you keep photographs of people that you love?
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    Quote Originally Posted by glassjester View Post
    Perhaps you can explain the statues of the cherubim, then?
    It is Shishi, the Third Month the Fourth Day, until sundown or Shabbat, Omer 48.

    You did not read my post. There are no statues of cherubim. You are mistaken. You may also benefit from a course in Hebrew, for cherubim or cheruvim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    It is Shishi, the Third Month the Fourth Day, until sundown or Shabbat, Omer 48.

    You did not read my post. There are no statues of cherubim. You are mistaken. You may also benefit from a course in Hebrew, for cherubim or cheruvim.
    What does this mean, then?

    1 Kings 6:23-24 - For the inner sanctuary he made a pair of cherubim out of olive wood, each ten cubits high. One wing of the first cherub was five cubits long, and the other wing five cubits—ten cubits from wing tip to wing tip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glassjester View Post
    Not necessarily a "point of contact," more of a visual reminder or representation.
    "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
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    You can stop lying. No one will be fooled except for you.
    "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
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    Take a look at that last picture. Hadn't seen that one before. Only two ways to take it, neither one good. Either they're bowing to a statue of a dead man, a pope, as if it is him...or they're praying to him using this image to help focus their minds on him.

    Either way, they are clearly praying to a dead man and that's idolatry.
    "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
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    Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
    By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
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    Lol - looks to me like one person is perhaps looking at a map of sites to stop at and gape at in front of R2D2's dad, while some guy in long hair has kneeled down to relieve himself.


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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    Take a look at that last picture. Hadn't seen that one before. Only two ways to take it, neither one good. Either they're bowing to a statue of a dead man, a pope, as if it is him...or they're praying to him using this image to help focus their minds on him.

    Either way, they are clearly praying to a dead man and that's idolatry.
    They could be asking for him to pray for them, no?
    Your "catholic" is showing. - Sozo

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