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    I don't want to provoke

    It's long time that I don't write because I can't write a good English.
    Now I'd like write something and I don't want to provoke but only have an explanetion about an important principle of belief.
    I refer to the death of Jesus.I think that GOd can't to die; if GOd dies He isn't God.
    The theology says that is the jesus man who died but the Council of Nicea established
    the principle of consustanziality which teaches Jesus is alwais real man and real God.
    Therefore of the two oner the Historical Jesus wasn't God or He could not die.
    Worse,inasmuch as the historical Jesus died, he wasn't GOd.
    I know that my writ can appear blasphemous , but I don't want, I just want to understand.

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    God cannot die, but He can take on the "form of a servant", and become flesh to dwell among us. That's who Jesus Christ is - God with us. Jesus was born of a woman, begotten of God, so He is both God and man. Only the man died on the cross, and it was the man that was raised again from the dead. He never stopped being God, and He was God from the very beginning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damiano View Post
    It's long time that I don't write because I can't write a good English.
    Now I'd like write something and I don't want to provoke but only have an explanetion about an important principle of belief.
    I refer to the death of Jesus.I think that GOd can't to die; if GOd dies He isn't God.
    The theology says that is the jesus man who died but the Council of Nicea established
    the principle of consustanziality which teaches Jesus is alwais real man and real God.
    Therefore of the two oner the Historical Jesus wasn't God or He could not die.
    Worse,inasmuch as the historical Jesus died, he wasn't GOd.
    I know that my writ can appear blasphemous , but I don't want, I just want to understand.
    Gonna depend on exactly what you mean by "die".
    As we have seen in scripture, one can be dead while still a conscience being.
    Such as the prodigal son.
    He was called "alive" while under the authority of his father, but dead when he moved away, and then became alive again when he returned to the father's authority.

    Had nothing to do with what we call physical death (such as dying of old age or getting hit by a bus).
    Luke 15 KJV

    (24) For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.


    (32) It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.


    In that respect, "dead" means "lost".
    Our Lord God and Savior Jesus Christ was never "lost".

    And don't forget that scripture tells us that even though Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob had already died physically, they are still called "living".
    Mark 12 KJV
    (26) And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
    (27) He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.


    And while I'm at it, let me throw in ....


    John 11 KJV
    (26) And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?


    That certainly cannot be talking about physical death because we know believers do die a physical death.


    So when it says that GOD cannot die, there is more than one way to approach it.

    "The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name." Exodus 15:3

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    When Jesus died on the cross, he was fully dead. Yet Jesus is still the 2nd person of the trinity. And is now alive.
    If any of my views seem to be strange or new to you, it is to be hoped that you will not close your mind to them, but will emulate the noble Bereans, and not only read and study the chapters would discuss, but will also search the Scriptures to see whether these things be so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    God cannot die, but He can take on the "form of a servant",
    Yes.
    I would like to elaborate on this with some thoughts.

    I don't understand why folks think that GOD cannot be GOD with a "form".
    Seems to go along with the notion of the gnostics that a "form" would make GOD less than GOD in some way.
    But we see throughout scripture that GOD does have "forms".
    He was in the burning bush.
    Did the the form of the burning bush die?
    He was a man when meeting with Abraham.
    Did that form die?
    He was in the pillars of smoke and fire leading Israel through the wilderness.
    Did the form of the pillars die?

    Looks to me like GOD can be any form and still be the GOD that does not die.

    "The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name." Exodus 15:3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damiano View Post
    It's long time that I don't write because I can't write a good English.
    Now I'd like write something and I don't want to provoke but only have an explanetion about an important principle of belief.
    I refer to the death of Jesus.I think that GOd can't to die; if GOd dies He isn't God.
    The theology says that is the jesus man who died but the Council of Nicea established
    the principle of consustanziality which teaches Jesus is alwais real man and real God.
    Therefore of the two oner the Historical Jesus wasn't God or He could not die.
    Worse,inasmuch as the historical Jesus died, he wasn't GOd.
    I know that my writ can appear blasphemous , but I don't want, I just want to understand.
    Keep not writing.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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