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    Sam Harris interviews Bart Ehriman

    Sam Harris and Bart Ehrman come to the conclusion that the New Testament is cobbled together human documents, there is no god, Christianity is a bunch of huey. Believers are nutty kooks.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-n7EGoM18s
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    Quote Originally Posted by carolus magnus View Post
    Sam Harris and Bart Ehrman come to the conclusion that the New Testament is cobbled together human documents, there is no god, Christianity is a bunch of huey. Believers are nutty kooks.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-n7EGoM18s
    And??
    (Would you expect anything else from those two?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolus magnus View Post
    Sam Harris and Bart Ehrman come to the conclusion that the New Testament is cobbled together human documents, there is no god, Christianity is a bunch of huey. Believers are nutty kooks.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-n7EGoM18s
    Is your conclusion the same as theirs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Is your conclusion the same as theirs?
    No. The Bible is inspired. Christ is the only way to salvation. While some believers may be nutty kooks, belief in God is the most sane position a person can take.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carolus magnus View Post
    No. The Bible is inspired. Christ is the only way to salvation. While some believers may be nutty kooks, belief in God is the most sane position a person can take.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carolus magnus View Post
    No. The Bible is inspired. Christ is the only way to salvation. While some believers may be nutty kooks, belief in God is the most sane position a person can take.
    You just lumped God, Jesus, and the Bible together as if they are all the same. They are not.
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    First of all, his name is Bart Ehrman.

    Second of all, he once was just as you are now, except for one thing. He is actually a world class bible scholar, with a first rate education who happens to know what he's talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guyver View Post
    First of all, his name is Bart Ehrman.

    Second of all, he once was just as you are now, except for one thing. He is actually a world class bible scholar, with a first rate education who happens to know what he's talking about.
    Ehrman. You really got me with that typo!

    Second of all, there are plenty of first rate scholars who disagree with him.

    I once thought that he came to his conclusions from his research, but he admits in the forward of one of his books that he has the same mundane reasoning typical of atheists/agnostics: that the existence of evil in the world disproves the existence of a good and loving God.

    There is an excellent book that counters Ehrman's views on the New Testament that is highly recommended:
    The New Testament Documents: Are They Reliable? by F.F. Bruce
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guyver View Post
    You just lumped God, Jesus, and the Bible together as if they are all the same. They are not.
    My writing style tends to be succinct. Each of those statements were separated with a period, so I don't see the problem.

    I do understand and subscribe to the doctrine of the Trinity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    Carolus magnus.

    Someone from before my time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolus magnus View Post
    My writing style tends to be succinct. Each of those statements were separated with a period, so I don't see the problem.

    I do understand and subscribe to the doctrine of the Trinity.
    Fair enough. That is your religion. It is my obligation to respect it. Peace be with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carolus magnus View Post
    Ehrman. You really got me with that typo!

    Second of all, there are plenty of first rate scholars who disagree with him.

    I once thought that he came to his conclusions from his research, but he admits in the forward of one of his books that he has the same mundane reasoning typical of atheists/agnostics: that the existence of evil in the world disproves the existence of a good and loving God.

    There is an excellent book that counters Ehrman's views on the New Testament that is highly recommended:
    The New Testament Documents: Are They Reliable? by F.F. Bruce
    The problem of evil in the world is not one that should be hand waived away. Sure, Christians have their explanation for it....but that only works for Christians.

    I donít agree with his stance as an atheist as I feel he would be better off claiming agnosticism, which is the superior intellectual view, IMO. But, I understand what itís like to discover that what one had so completely believed in was false. In the sense that false means not as represented in this case. So, he could be having a backlash reaction to his Evangelical background, as I did also.

    Anyway, I accept the scholarship of his that I have read, which is only one piece, Misquoting Jesus. That was a gentle revelation of truth....IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guyver View Post

    Anyway, I accept the scholarship of his that I have read, which is only one piece, Misquoting Jesus. That was a gentle revelation of truth....IMO.
    There are a number of books that correct a good number of Ehrman's incorrect claims and/or assumptions. Here's one:

    Misquoting Truth: A Guide to the Fallacies of Bart Ehrman's "Misquoting Jesus, by Timothy Paul Jones

    And here's another:

    Misquotes in MISQUOTING JESUS: Why You Can Still Believe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guyver View Post
    Anyway, I accept the scholarship of his that I have read, which is only one piece, Misquoting Jesus. That was a gentle revelation of truth....IMO.
    After reading Misquoting Jesus many come away with the impression that the New Testament has been so corrupted it cannot be trusted, and that affects essential Christian Doctrines. But in that same book on page 252 of the paperback version Ehrman states:

    "Essential Christian beliefs are not affected by textual variants in the manuscript tradition of the New Testament."

    That is a remarkable statement. We can, despite textual variation (mostly spelling differences and what not), trust that the New Testament we have now is remarkably close to its original written version.
    Whether to believe what it says or not is up to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Someone from before my time?

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    Heh, yeah, I pop in from time to time. When I first discovered this site back in 2006 it was a revelation. A place to discuss Christianity, Evolution/Creation, and Politics honestly and openly. An elegant forum for a more civilized age. That was before the dark times. Before Social Media.
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