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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    Must be why chapters one and two so perfectly match Acts 1-3.

    "Hi! Phil Swift, here, with Jerry's Program Blender - the absolutely uh-may-zing, one size fits all books blender that never fails to automatically turn things that differ in Scripture into things that no longer do - all for the uh-may-zing low, low price of just $19.95 - but hold everything - order NOW, and we'll throw in a huge collection of books 'about' to help YOU get started on your blending journey TOO-DAY!!!
    Actually the ones who are the blenders are the ones who say that the present dispensation began during the Mid Acts period and then they adopt the teaching from the Acts 28 camp where it is taught that the Twelve were not in the Body of Christ and that the Jews who lived under the law could not be saved apart from works and they can lose their salvation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Sonny boy, if you would do a little study you will find out that the words which you just quoted were written during the present dispensation. So when the author of Hebrews spoke of "these days" he was speaking of the time period of the present dispensation.

    You think that the author was in error for referring to time of the present dispensation as the last days, don't you?
    Confused old man, Replacement Theology proponent, bible corrector/mystic/agnostic/blender John 3 Nicky, "it all says the same thing," admitted Full Preterist- tell us about the antichrist having already appeared, about the Day of the Lord already having occurred, "the second time," the second coming having already occurred, about how we are already experiencing the new heaven and new earth, about how God has, now, "in this dispensation," wiped away all tears from our eyes, that there is no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, nor any more pain, as these are passed away.

    Not only have this confused old man been exposed as a humanist, a bible blender, a "Replacement 'Theology'" proponent, but also as a "Full Preterist".To wit, again:


    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    The Hebrew epistles were written and received during the present dispensation. If the doctrine found in those epistles is not for the present dispensation then those who received those epistles would have been told that it is not for the present dispensation.

    The Hebrew epistles will be searched in vain for any instance where the author tells his hearers that the doctrine is not for the present dispensation but instead for a future one.

    Perhaps that issue is addressed in the book?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    If what is said in John's first epistle was for a future dispensation then John would have told them, "What I am telling you is not for now but instead it is for a future dispensation."
    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    ... those who received the Hebrews epistles were expecting

    1 John 2 KJV

    18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

    JerryS:If what is said in John's first epistle was for a future dispensation then John would have told them, "What I am telling you is not for now but instead it is for a future dispensation." Those who received the Hebrews epistles were expecting the last time as "now," when it was written, as the antichrist is not for some future dispensation-He already came!!!!!!!!!!!

    1 John 2 KJV

    28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

    Hebrews 9 KJV

    28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.



    Jerry S:If what is said in John's first epistle, and in Hebrews, was for a future dispensation then John, the author of Hebrews, would have told them, "What I am telling you is not for now but instead it is for a future dispensation." The Lord Jesus Christ's second coming is not for a future dispensation-Those who received the Hebrews epistles were expecting the second coming then at that time!! It already occurred hundreds of years ago, not in some future dispensation!!!!!Didn't you read about it, in "Preterist Weekly?"



    Hebrews 1 KJV

    2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;



    James 5 KJV

    3 Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.

    1 Peter 1 KJV

    5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.



    1 Peter 1 KJV

    20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,


    JerryS:If what is said in the author of Hebrews' epistle, in James' epistle, in Peter's epistle, was for a future dispensation then the author of Hebrews, James, Peter, would have told them, "What I am telling you is not for now but instead it is for a future dispensation." Those who received the Hebrews epistles were expecting the last days, the last time(s), then, not in not the future!!!!!!!!!!!!The last days already happened!!!





    Genesis 3:15 KJV
    And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

    JerryS:If what is said in Genesis 3:15 KJV was for a future dispensation, perhaps thousands of years in the future, then the author of Genesis would have told them, "What I am telling you is not for now but instead it is for a future dispensation."


    Joel 3:14 KJV Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision.

    JerryS:If what is said in Joel was for a future dispensation then the author of Joel would have told them, "What I am telling you is not for now but instead it is for a future dispensation." The day of the Lord has already happened!!


    Zephaniah 1:14 KJV The great day of the Lord is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the Lord: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.

    JerryS:If what is said in Zephaniah was for a future dispensation then the author of Zephaniah would have told them, "What I am telling you is not for now but instead it is for a future dispensation."The great day of the Lord has already happened!!!


    Revelation 21 KJV
    1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

    2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

    3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

    4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.


    JerryS:If what is said in Revelation, by John, was for a future dispensation then John would have told them, "What I am telling you is not for now but instead it is for a future dispensation." Those who received the Hebrews epistles were expecting the state of no more death,no more tears now, no more sorrow,no more crying,no pain ,the new heaven and new earth at that time, not for a future dispensation!!! There is no more death,no more tears now, no more sorrow,no more crying,no pain , now, and we are in the new heaven and new earth now!!!!!

    Puh rayzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawd!!!


    You cannot be this stupid of a bible blender....I take that back.

    "We see" that you have no answers, and if you were honest, you cannot deny that you have no answers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    Personally, I find the guy harmless; just an old saint long since set in his ways.

    It is what it is.

    He can refer to me as Neo-MAD all he likes.

    Just an old saint long set in his ways.

    The Lord himself will straighten ya out soon enough, Jerry.

    God love ya...

    Rom. 14: 5; : 6-8.
    Yes, he is a disgruntled, confused old man, getting his "kicks" by sowing discourse amongst the brethren, explaining why he has been banned from numerous sites, including www.christianforums.com.


    Right, John 3 Nicky Shugart?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    Another use of the phrase "in Christ" by Paul that also does NOT refer to being in the Body.

    Romans 9:1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, 9:2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.

    But, some insist on the wooden literalness by which they blind themselves to seeing the whole of many a thing.
    It is you who is employing a wooden literalness because you can't even understand the deeper meaning of what John says here:

    "And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in (en) his Son" (1 Jn.5:11).

    Here the word "in" is translated from the Greek word en and in this case that word means "in the interior of some whole" (Thayer's Greek English Lexicon).

    The Apostle John tells these believers that their lives are in the Son. Not by the Son but instead IN THE SON. And that can only be said of those in the Body of Christ:

    "even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus" (Eph.2:5-6).

    This speaks of the Christian's total identification with the Lord Jesus, a truth which is true for only those who are in the Body of Christ. Our life which is in Christ is the same thing spoken of in the following passage:

    "If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory" (Col.3:1-4).

    The Christian has been given eternal life, and "this life is in the Son"..."Christ is our life" and our "your life is hid with Christ in God." These verses are in regard to a total identification with the Lord Jesus and speak of our "position" in Christ, being risen with Christ and being seated with Him in heavenly places. That is what Peter is speaking of here:

    "Peace be with you all that are in Christ Jesus" (1 Pet.5:14).

    You are severely limited in your understanding of what it means to be in Christ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    It is you who is employing a wooden literalness because you can't even understand the deeper meaning of what John says here:

    "And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in (en) his Son" (1 Jn.5:11).

    Here the word "in" is translated from the Greek word en and in this case that word means "in the interior of some whole" (Thayer's Greek English Lexicon).

    The Apostle John tells these believers that their lives are in the Son. Not by the Son but instead IN THE SON. And that can only be said of those in the Body of Christ:

    "even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus" (Eph.2:5-6).

    This speaks of the Christian's total identification with the Lord Jesus, a truth which is true for only those who are in the Body of Christ. Our life which is in Christ is the same thing spoken of in the following passage:

    "If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory" (Col.3:1-4).

    The Christian has been given eternal life, and "this life is in the Son"..."Christ is our life" and our "your life is hid with Christ in God." These verses are in regard to a total identification with the Lord Jesus and speak of our "position" in Christ, being risen with Christ and being seated with Him in heavenly places. That is what Peter is speaking of here:

    "Peace be with you all that are in Christ Jesus" (1 Pet.5:14).
    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    You are severely limited in your understanding of what it means to be in Christ.
    You are severely limited in your understanding of the bible.

    I just won the debate.


    You can't understand what the deeper meeting of what the bible says.

    I just won the debate.

    Why don't you believe?:

    -the bible?
    -God?
    -Paul?

    Who should we believe?:

    You, or:


    -God
    -The bible
    -Paul


    We see you have no answers.

    Confused old man, Replacement Theology proponent, bible corrector/mystic/agnostic/blender John 3 Nicky, "it all says the same thing," admitted Full Preterist- tell us about the antichrist having already appeared, about the Day of the Lord already having occurred, "the second time," the second coming having already occurred, about how we are already experiencing the new heaven and new earth, about how God has, now, "in this dispensation," wiped away all tears from our eyes, that there is no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, nor any more pain, as these are passed away.

    Not only have this confused old man been exposed as a humanist, a bible blender, a "Replacement 'Theology'" proponent, but also as a "Full Preterist".To wit, again:
    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    The Hebrew epistles were written and received during the present dispensation. If the doctrine found in those epistles is not for the present dispensation then those who received those epistles would have been told that it is not for the present dispensation.

    The Hebrew epistles will be searched in vain for any instance where the author tells his hearers that the doctrine is not for the present dispensation but instead for a future one.

    Perhaps that issue is addressed in the book?


    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    If what is said in John's first epistle was for a future dispensation then John would have told them, "What I am telling you is not for now but instead it is for a future dispensation."


    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    ... those who received the Hebrews epistles were expecting


    1 John 2 KJV


    18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

    JerryS:If what is said in John's first epistle was for a future dispensation then John would have told them, "What I am telling you is not for now but instead it is for a future dispensation." Those who received the Hebrews epistles were expecting the last time as "now," when it was written, as the antichrist is not for some future dispensation-He already came!!!!!!!!!!!

    1 John 2 KJV

    28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

    Hebrews 9 KJV

    28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.



    Jerry S:If what is said in John's first epistle, and in Hebrews, was for a future dispensation then John, the author of Hebrews, would have told them, "What I am telling you is not for now but instead it is for a future dispensation." The Lord Jesus Christ's second coming is not for a future dispensation-Those who received the Hebrews epistles were expecting the second coming then at that time!! It already occurred hundreds of years ago, not in some future dispensation!!!!!Didn't you read about it, in "Preterist Weekly?"



    Hebrews 1 KJV

    2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;



    James 5 KJV

    3 Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.

    1 Peter 1 KJV

    5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.



    1 Peter 1 KJV

    20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,


    JerryS:If what is said in the author of Hebrews' epistle, in James' epistle, in Peter's epistle, was for a future dispensation then the author of Hebrews, James, Peter, would have told them, "What I am telling you is not for now but instead it is for a future dispensation." Those who received the Hebrews epistles were expecting the last days, the last time(s), then, not in not the future!!!!!!!!!!!!The last days already happened!!!





    Genesis 3:15 KJV
    And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

    JerryS:If what is said in Genesis 3:15 KJV was for a future dispensation, perhaps thousands of years in the future, then the author of Genesis would have told them, "What I am telling you is not for now but instead it is for a future dispensation."


    Joel 3:14 KJV Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision.

    JerryS:If what is said in Joel was for a future dispensation then the author of Joel would have told them, "What I am telling you is not for now but instead it is for a future dispensation." The day of the Lord has already happened!!


    Zephaniah 1:14 KJV The great day of the Lord is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the Lord: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.

    JerryS:If what is said in Zephaniah was for a future dispensation then the author of Zephaniah would have told them, "What I am telling you is not for now but instead it is for a future dispensation."The great day of the Lord has already happened!!!


    Revelation 21 KJV
    1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

    2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

    3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

    4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.


    JerryS:If what is said in Revelation, by John, was for a future dispensation then John would have told them, "What I am telling you is not for now but instead it is for a future dispensation." Those who received the Hebrews epistles were expecting the state of no more death,no more tears now, no more sorrow,no more crying,no pain ,the new heaven and new earth at that time, not for a future dispensation!!! There is no more death,no more tears now, no more sorrow,no more crying,no pain , now, and we are in the new heaven and new earth now!!!!!

    Puh rayzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawd!!!


    You cannot be this stupid of a bible blender....I take that back.

    "We see" that you have no answers, and if you were honest, you cannot deny that you have no answers.


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    There is no doubt whatsoever that you do not believe the bible.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Actually the ones who are the blenders are the ones who say that the present dispensation began during the Mid Acts period and then they adopt the teaching from the Acts 28 camp where it is taught that the Twelve were not in the Body of Christ and that the Jews who lived under the law could not be saved apart from works and they can lose their salvation.
    If my believing that the Believing Remnant of Israel / Israel of God / The Twelve and their converts is not the same agency as formerly lost Jews and Gentiles in the Body - FROM ACTS 9 TO ACTS 28 and beyond - makes me an Acts 28er in your books based blending eyes, then so be it; I'm perfectly fine with whatever label you might hurl my way.

    Why?

    Rom. 5: 6-8 is why.


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