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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    Why do you dismiss military issue?
    I don't.
    It has been gone over.
    It wasn't ever the sole intent of this topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post
    I don't.
    It has been gone over.
    It wasn't ever the sole intent of this topic.

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    I don't think you discussed thoroughly.

    You are taking it lightly.

    Christians in the military is one of the biggest hypocrisy in Christian community because, they are misrepresenting Jesus greatly. It is very clear to me.

    If we close our eyes of those organizational sins, we are sharing the same guilt.
    If you want to be true to God and Jesus, abandon any kind of violence at all cost. By advocating any kind of violence, you are misrepresenting Christianity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post
    I don't.
    It has been gone over.
    It wasn't ever the sole intent of this topic.

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    Meshak is just pushing her anti-military agenda again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    I don't think you discussed thoroughly.

    You are taking it lightly.

    Christians in the military is one of the biggest hypocrisy in Christian community because, they are misrepresenting Jesus greatly. It is very clear to me.

    If we close our eyes of those organizational sins, we are sharing the same guilt.
    I'm not closing my eyes to anything.

    It is not the topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post
    I'm not closing my eyes to anything.

    It is not the topic.

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    Topic is about fighting.

    Your title is describing clearly about the military, literally.
    If you want to be true to God and Jesus, abandon any kind of violence at all cost. By advocating any kind of violence, you are misrepresenting Christianity.

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    Our bickering is just tip of ice burg.
    If you want to be true to God and Jesus, abandon any kind of violence at all cost. By advocating any kind of violence, you are misrepresenting Christianity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Meshak is just pushing her anti-military agenda again.
    Yep.
    Pushing an agenda that GOD never did.

    We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
    They already know monsters exist.
    We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Yep.
    Pushing an agenda that GOD never did.
    Yet you cannot love your enemy or your neighbor through war.

    Defence of those in need is not war necessarily.


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    Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post
    Yet you cannot love your enemy or your neighbor through war.
    Israel did, unless you think GOD told them to sin by breaking the law.

    We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
    They already know monsters exist.
    We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post
    Yet you cannot love your enemy or your neighbor through war.
    Um, yes you can...

    OK, SCENARIO:

    A family of four, mom, dad, brother, and sister. The parents love their children dearly.

    Brother is raping the sister, and tells her that He will harm or kill her if she tells anyone. Eventually, the parents find out.

    How do they resolve this issue? They love their children, but they don't want their son harming their daughter, so the only solution is to send their son away, never to return.

    In the same way, let's say a nation is doing wicked things, and another nation comes along and demands that they cease their wickedness. They refuse, and refuse, and refuse some more, to where their actions severely harm the nations around them, and the only way to put an end to their wickedness is to destroy them, sending them to await judgment by God. The goal is not to destroy them, but to make them realize that they are in the wrong.

    Still disagree?

    Consider this:

    If your friend is harming himself and/or those around him, would it be more loving to allow them to continue, or more loving to rebuke them and/or get them to stop what they're doing?

    Defence of those in need is not war necessarily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Um, yes you can...

    OK, SCENARIO:

    A family of four, mom, dad, brother, and sister. The parents love their children dearly.

    Brother is raping the sister, and tells her that He will harm or kill her if she tells anyone. Eventually, the parents find out.

    How do they resolve this issue? They love their children, but they don't want their son harming their daughter, so the only solution is to send their son away, never to return.

    In the same way, let's say a nation is doing wicked things, and another nation comes along and demands that they cease their wickedness. They refuse, and refuse, and refuse some more, to where their actions severely harm the nations around them, and the only way to put an end to their wickedness is to destroy them, sending them to await judgment by God. The goal is not to destroy them, but to make them realize that they are in the wrong.

    Still disagree?

    Consider this:

    If your friend is harming himself and/or those around him, would it be more loving to allow them to continue, or more loving to rebuke them and/or get them to stop what they're doing?
    This;

    "send their son away",

    and this

    "rebuke them and/or get them to stop what they're doing"

    is not synonimous with;

    "destroy them"

    in any context what so ever.

    As such; your premise is false.

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    Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post
    This;

    "send their son away",

    and this

    "rebuke them and/or get them to stop what they're doing"

    is not synonimous with;

    "destroy them"

    in any context what so ever.

    As such; your premise is false.

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    Pops, if the only way to stop someone from murdering someone else is to kill him, would that not prove you wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Pops, if the only way to stop someone from murdering someone else is to kill him, would that not prove you wrong?
    Give a single scenario where one would have to kill in order for one not to be killed.

    Then I may consider what you say as a possibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post
    This;

    "send their son away",
    Send him where????
    Out in the world, free to continue with someone else?
    And if he refuses to leave, what are you going to do?

    We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
    They already know monsters exist.
    We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Send him where????
    Out in the world, free to continue with someone else?
    And if he refuses to leave, what are you going to do?
    Is that tomb raider?

    Cool...



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