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    Quote Originally Posted by beameup View Post
    That's because you lack the Ruach Elohim and thus cannot
    believe in and understand the so-called "New Testament".
    Without the Holy Spirit, you will go to HELL.
    The Spirit of God, the same as the Holy Spirit, dwells in me.
    I do not know what you mean by the so-called "New Testament".

    What do you want to talk about?
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    In beginning He created God the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tnkrbl123! View Post
    You missed the ENTIRE point

    But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect - 1 Peter 3:15

    I was just trying to help you understand what they were asking and why they felt that you werent prepared. Because yes the HOly Spirit will give us words to speak but that was a promise to the disciples and not to everyone in every situation. It is prudent to -and we are instructed to- be able to articulate your faith to people who ask you and articulate the basic gospel and explain what it is because your responses are so vague an atheist who has never read the Bible could give the same answer - "trust Jesus, follow him, obey him etc" its not clear what your faith is and that is the question they were asking.
    I was just trying to help you understand the question they were asking and you still don't want to/can't answer it so I dont know what to tell ya
    I am prepared, we are prepared through Christ by the Holy Spirit, and no, that isn't only a promise for the disciples at that time, it's for all those who have true faith, truly follow Jesus and live by the will of God. If the Spirit is within our hearts then God will give us a mouth to speak.

    I've spoken to many atheists and theists of different denominations, I don't prepare anything to say. But it all comes to my memory when I start talking. We should read the Bible, and trust in God and live right before him, and he will give us what to say.

    If we love God with all our hearts our minds our soul and our strength, trust in him completely and be ready to do his will, and be there for others, then he will fill our mouths.

    And to always be ready to give an answer, is to read the scriptures, turn from doing wrong, and have our minds and hearts on God and his ways always, and not putting God on a back burner and then putting our flesh first before him. If we do this, then we will be ready, because God will be first in our heart, mind and lives.

    Exodus 4

    And Moses said unto the LORD, O my LORD, I am not eloquent, neither heretofore, nor since thou hast spoken unto thy servant: but I am slow of speech, and of a slow tongue. And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD? Now therefore go, and I will be with thy mouth, and teach thee what thou shalt say.


    I have complete faith in God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    The Spirit of God, the same as the Holy Spirit, dwells in me.
    I do not know what you mean by the so-called "New Testament".

    What do you want to talk about?
    Because Paul's Epistles give you the information that you are lacking. Either you reject Paul's Epistles because you consider them to be "uninspired" or you avoid them altogether. Either way, you will be led into apostasy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beameup View Post
    Because Paul's Epistles give you the information that you are lacking. Either you reject Paul's Epistles because you consider them to be "uninspired" or you avoid them altogether. Either way, you will be led into apostasy.
    I am not sure what you are saying or why you are saying it. As a Gentile I read Paul's epistles. I see or know of nothing wrong with them. I was a Christian as a Gentile. I do not know why you are saying that I either consider them to be uninspired or I avoid them altogether. I have not made a comment on their inspiration and I have not avoided them. Remember though, it is in Paul's second letter to Timothy that he says that All Scripture is inspired by God, .... It is you that said the so-called "New Testament".
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    In beginning He created God the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Today is Shlishli, Ziv 2.
    It is evening, erev. It is night, laylah.

    No
    So the Jew or faithful to GOD where never scattered abroad?

    Maybe you could show what part of my words is unscriptural, or otherwise explain why you simply put "no".

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    Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post
    So the Jew or faithful to GOD where never scattered abroad?

    Maybe you could show what part of my words is unscriptural, or otherwise explain why you simply put "no".

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    No. That is not what I am saying. I am saying that there are not many paths to God, which is what it seems to me that you have implied or said. For me to express this is difficult because then I am using words to describe something that I do not believe to be true, and it is me doing it. Rather than just saying no, and then it is what you said that is wrong, not my words or choice of words.
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    In beginning He created God the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    I am not sure what you are saying or why you are saying it. As a Gentile I read Paul's epistles. I see or know of nothing wrong with them. I was a Christian as a Gentile. I do not know why you are saying that I either consider them to be uninspired or I avoid them altogether.
    So, you have in essence "abandoned" Paul's Epistles.
    Obviously you were not aware that Paul states that
    what he has received, he received directly from the
    risen Messiah. That would make Paul's writings
    supreme in that they were the "last word" coming
    from God, with new information that was not
    contained in the Tanakh, Torah, "Old Testament".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    No. That is not what I am saying. I am saying that there are not many paths to God, which is what it seems to me that you have implied or said. For me to express this is difficult because then I am using words to describe something that I do not believe to be true, and it is me doing it. Rather than just saying no, and then it is what you said that is wrong, not my words or choice of words.
    I never insinuated there was more than one Way.

    Go back over my post and check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beameup View Post
    So, you have in essence "abandoned" Paul's Epistles.
    Obviously you were not aware that Paul states that
    what he has received, he received directly from the
    risen Messiah. That would make Paul's writings
    supreme in that they were the "last word" coming
    from God, with new information that was not
    contained in the Tanakh, Torah, "Old Testament".
    I do not believe the same as you but I have not abandoned Paul's Epistles at all. I simply became a Jew when I chose to obey or observe Jesus', Yeshua's, instruction in Matthew 5:17-29. That is I accepted His word, His words, as relevant and relevant for and to me. I chose to obey or observe all of God's Commandments that I might be called great in the kingdom of heaven. I believe that I am to keep, or do, and teach, the commandments. Some have said that this is not for the Gentiles, or was not intended to apply to anyone after Jesus' earthly ministry and death upon the cross, but I do not accept this. Such that if it was for Jews, I have become a Jew in obeying Him. If it was for Gentiles, I have obeyed until I have become a Jew. In either case I have obeyed Jesus and I have become a Jew.
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    In beginning He created God the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post
    I never insinuated there was more than one Way.

    Go back over my post and check.

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    I don't think the word insinuated is appropriate here. I do believe that your words then by your post here must imply that you did not intend to say that there are many paths to God. I do not believe that there is or are. Here is what I was misled by, only so you understand where I had difficulty with your words.

    the different branches of faith in the One GOD
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    In beginning He created God the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    I don't think the word insinuated is appropriate here. I do believe that your words then by your post here must imply that you did not intend to say that there are many paths to God. I do not believe that there is or are. Here is what I was misled by, only so you understand where I had difficulty with your words.

    the different branches of faith in the One GOD
    Do you not understand that the different branches comprise the whole of the Vine?


    One Vine

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    Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post
    Do you not understand that the different branches comprise the whole of the Vine?


    One Vine

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    I do not know what branches you are referring to. Are you making a reference to something that you have seen in scripture?
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    In beginning He created God the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    I do not know what branches you are referring to. Are you making a reference to something that you have seen in scripture?
    Yes

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    Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post
    Yes

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    Do you believe that you have done any interpreting here or have you simply read what is there in scripture, the words of scripture?
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    In beginning He created God the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    I do not believe the same as you but I have not abandoned Paul's Epistles at all. I simply became a Jew when I chose to obey or observe Jesus', Yeshua's, instruction in Matthew 5:17-29. That is I accepted His word, His words, as relevant and relevant for and to me. I chose to obey or observe all of God's Commandments that I might be called great in the kingdom of heaven. I believe that I am to keep, or do, and teach, the commandments. Some have said that this is not for the Gentiles, or was not intended to apply to anyone after Jesus' earthly ministry and death upon the cross, but I do not accept this. Such that if it was for Jews, I have become a Jew in obeying Him. If it was for Gentiles, I have obeyed until I have become a Jew. In either case I have obeyed Jesus and I have become a Jew.
    I believe that Paul addressed this situation in Galatians. Perhaps you never familiarized yourself with Galatians?
    At some point (probably after the utter destruction of the Temple), Judaism that followed Messiah simply disappeared into history. So, whatever is written in the four Gospels must either be null-and-void, or instead must be for a yet future generation. If it is to become relevant again, then the current doctrines of Paul must be replaced by the teachings of James, Jude, Peter, John, and the four Gospels. That would require the disappearance of the belief system outlined by Paul. As well, it would require the reestablishment of Torah Law and the Levitical SACRIFICIAL SYSTEM in the nation of Israel.
    This leaves you in an untenable and precarious predicament.

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