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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    I can think about what you have said, but I do not agree with your logic and reasoning.

    Omer 1 was the day after a Sabbath and a Holy Day, on Aviv 16, this year. I asked my Rabbi on Aviv 16 via my phone, a text message, when to start the count. I had known two ways, but was uncertain that it would be Aviv 16 even so.
    You are calling day 15 Aviv a Sabbath and in this post: http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5219386 you said there was a Sabbath on day 22 of the second month after leaving Egypt. Everyone can see you also believe there are Sabbaths on days 8, 15, 22 & 29 each month which can only work with a Sabbath cycle that starts from new moon day and not on a continuous rolling cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WatchmanOnTheWall View Post
    You are calling day 15 Aviv a Sabbath and in this post: http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5219386 you said there was a Sabbath on day 22 of the second month after leaving Egypt. Everyone can see you also believe there are Sabbaths on days 8, 15, 22 & 29 each month which can only work with a Sabbath cycle that starts from new moon day and not on a continuous rolling cycle.
    I don't believe what you are saying. I don't believe what you are saying that I do. This is your problem, not mine.
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    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WatchmanOnTheWall View Post
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    Many people reject what the Bible clearly states when it comes to the counting of the omer.
    Learn to read what is written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WatchmanOnTheWall View Post
    They were your words. Not mine. Everyone else can see this.
    No, everyone else can see that you are wrong on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    Many people reject what the Bible clearly states when it comes to the counting of the omer.
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    No, everyone else can see that you are wrong on this.
    In Leviticus 23 what day in the first month after leaving Egypt did God say to start counting the omar?

    Leviticus 23:1 & 4-15
    1The Lord said to Moses, 2“Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘These are my appointed festivals, the appointed festivals of the Lord, which you are to proclaim as sacred assemblies.

    4“ ‘These are the Lord’s appointed festivals, the sacred assemblies you are to proclaim at their appointed times: 5 The Lord’s Passover begins at twilight on the fourteenth day of the first month. 6 On the fifteenth day of that month the Lord’s Festival of Unleavened Bread begins; for seven days you must eat bread made without yeast. 7 On the first day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work. 8 For seven days present a food offering to the Lord. And on the seventh day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work.’ ” 9 The Lord said to Moses, 10“Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘When you enter the land I am going to give you and you reap its harvest, bring to the priest a sheaf of the first grain you harvest. 11 He is to wave the sheaf before the Lord so it will be accepted on your behalf; the priest is to wave it on the day after the Sabbath. 12 On the day you wave the sheaf, you must sacrifice as a burnt offering to the Lord a lamb a year old without defect, 13 together with its grain offering of two-tenths of an ephah of the finest flour mixed with olive oil—a food offering presented to the Lord, a pleasing aroma—and its drink offering of a quarter of a hin of wine. 14 You must not eat any bread, or roasted or new grain, until the very day you bring this offering to your God. This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live. 15“ ‘From the day after the Sabbath, the day you brought the sheaf of the wave offering, count off seven full weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WatchmanOnTheWall View Post
    In Leviticus 23 what day in the first month after leaving Egypt did God say to start counting the omar?

    Leviticus 23:1 & 4-15
    1The Lord said to Moses, 2“Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘These are my appointed festivals, the appointed festivals of the Lord, which you are to proclaim as sacred assemblies.

    4“ ‘These are the Lord’s appointed festivals, the sacred assemblies you are to proclaim at their appointed times: 5 The Lord’s Passover begins at twilight on the fourteenth day of the first month. 6 On the fifteenth day of that month the Lord’s Festival of Unleavened Bread begins; for seven days you must eat bread made without yeast. 7 On the first day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work. 8 For seven days present a food offering to the Lord. And on the seventh day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work.’ ” 9 The Lord said to Moses, 10“Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘When you enter the land I am going to give you and you reap its harvest, bring to the priest a sheaf of the first grain you harvest. 11 He is to wave the sheaf before the Lord so it will be accepted on your behalf; the priest is to wave it on the day after the Sabbath. 12 On the day you wave the sheaf, you must sacrifice as a burnt offering to the Lord a lamb a year old without defect, 13 together with its grain offering of two-tenths of an ephah of the finest flour mixed with olive oil—a food offering presented to the Lord, a pleasing aroma—and its drink offering of a quarter of a hin of wine. 14 You must not eat any bread, or roasted or new grain, until the very day you bring this offering to your God. This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live. 15“ ‘From the day after the Sabbath, the day you brought the sheaf of the wave offering, count off seven full weeks.
    Here is a comparison of the Biblical and Rabbinical ways to count the omer from last year:

    Biblical counting of the Omer
    April 9, 2017
    13 Nissan, 5777
    April 10, 2017
    14 Nissan, 5777
    Erev Passover
    April 11, 2017
    15 Nissan, 5777
    Passover
    April 12, 2017
    16 Nissan, 5777
    April 13, 2017
    17 Nissan, 5777
    April 14, 2017
    18 Nissan, 5777
    April 15, 2017
    19 Nissan, 5777
    Sabbath
    April 16, 2017
    20 Nissan, 5777
    Count omer 1
    during daylight
    Omer: Day one
    April 17, 2017
    21 Nissan, 5777
    April 18, 2017
    22 Nissan, 5777
    April 19, 2017
    23 Nissan, 5777
    April 20, 2017
    24 Nissan, 5777
    April 21, 2017
    25 Nissan, 5777
    April 22, 2017
    26 Nissan, 5777
    Sabbath

    Rabbinical counting of the Omer
    April 9, 2017
    13 Nissan, 5777
    April 10, 2017
    14 Nissan, 5777
    Erev Passover
    April 11, 2017
    15 Nissan, 5777
    Passover
    Count omer 1
    after sunset
    April 12, 2017
    16 Nissan, 5777
    Omer: Day one
    April 13, 2017
    17 Nissan, 5777
    April 14, 2017
    18 Nissan, 5777
    April 15, 2017
    19 Nissan, 5777
    Sabbath
    April 16, 2017
    20 Nissan, 5777
    April 17, 2017
    21 Nissan, 5777
    April 18, 2017
    22 Nissan, 5777
    April 19, 2017
    23 Nissan, 5777
    April 20, 2017
    24 Nissan, 5777
    April 21, 2017
    25 Nissan, 5777
    April 22, 2017
    26 Nissan, 5777
    Sabbath
    Last edited by genuineoriginal; April 13th, 2018 at 09:09 AM.
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    Shalom.

    It is Shishi (Sixth). Aviv 28. Erev, evening. Laylah, night.

    Omer 13.
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    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    In beginning He created God the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    Here is a comparison of the Biblical and Rabbinical ways to count the omer from last year:

    Biblical counting of the Omer
    April 9, 2017
    13 Nissan, 5777
    April 10, 2017
    14 Nissan, 5777
    Erev Passover
    April 11, 2017
    15 Nissan, 5777
    Passover
    April 12, 2017
    16 Nissan, 5777
    April 13, 2017
    17 Nissan, 5777
    April 14, 2017
    18 Nissan, 5777
    April 15, 2017
    19 Nissan, 5777
    Sabbath
    April 16, 2017
    20 Nissan, 5777
    Count omer 1
    during daylight
    Omer: Day one
    April 17, 2017
    21 Nissan, 5777
    April 18, 2017
    22 Nissan, 5777
    April 19, 2017
    23 Nissan, 5777
    April 20, 2017
    24 Nissan, 5777
    April 21, 2017
    25 Nissan, 5777
    April 22, 2017
    26 Nissan, 5777
    Sabbath

    Rabbinical counting of the Omer
    April 9, 2017
    13 Nissan, 5777
    April 10, 2017
    14 Nissan, 5777
    Erev Passover
    April 11, 2017
    15 Nissan, 5777
    Passover
    Count omer 1
    after sunset
    April 12, 2017
    16 Nissan, 5777
    Omer: Day one
    April 13, 2017
    17 Nissan, 5777
    April 14, 2017
    18 Nissan, 5777
    April 15, 2017
    19 Nissan, 5777
    Sabbath
    April 16, 2017
    20 Nissan, 5777
    April 17, 2017
    21 Nissan, 5777
    April 18, 2017
    22 Nissan, 5777
    April 19, 2017
    23 Nissan, 5777
    April 20, 2017
    24 Nissan, 5777
    April 21, 2017
    25 Nissan, 5777
    April 22, 2017
    26 Nissan, 5777
    Sabbath
    The Bible gives the instructions, if you don't trust it or understand it then that should tell you that you need to trust it and should want to understand it. At the moment you have not give me the day it starts on. God gives the instructions in Lev23, do you want me to show you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WatchmanOnTheWall View Post
    The Bible gives the instructions, if you don't trust it or understand it then that should tell you that you need to trust it and should want to understand it. At the moment you have not give me the day it starts on. God gives the instructions in Lev23, do you want me to show you?
    According to the Bible, the counting of the omer is always supposed to fall on the first day of the seven day week, which is the same day as the Gentile Sunday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    According to the Bible, the counting of the omer is always supposed to fall on the first day of the seven day week, which is the same day as the Gentile Sunday.
    Here's the verses, what day in the first month after leaving Egypt did God name a Sabbath:

    Leviticus 23:1 & 4-15
    1The Lord said to Moses, 2“Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘These are my appointed festivals, the appointed festivals of the Lord, which you are to proclaim as sacred assemblies.

    4“ ‘These are the Lord’s appointed festivals, the sacred assemblies you are to proclaim at their appointed times: 5 The Lord’s Passover begins at twilight on the fourteenth day of the first month. 6 On the fifteenth day of that month the Lord’s Festival of Unleavened Bread begins; for seven days you must eat bread made without yeast. 7 On the first day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work. 8 For seven days present a food offering to the Lord. And on the seventh day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work.’ ” 9 The Lord said to Moses, 10“Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘When you enter the land I am going to give you and you reap its harvest, bring to the priest a sheaf of the first grain you harvest. 11 He is to wave the sheaf before the Lord so it will be accepted on your behalf; the priest is to wave it on the day after the Sabbath. 12 On the day you wave the sheaf, you must sacrifice as a burnt offering to the Lord a lamb a year old without defect, 13 together with its grain offering of two-tenths of an ephah of the finest flour mixed with olive oil—a food offering presented to the Lord, a pleasing aroma—and its drink offering of a quarter of a hin of wine. 14 You must not eat any bread, or roasted or new grain, until the very day you bring this offering to your God. This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live. 15“ ‘From the day after the Sabbath, the day you brought the sheaf of the wave offering, count off seven full weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WatchmanOnTheWall View Post
    Here's the verses, what day in the first month after leaving Egypt did God name a Sabbath
    It doesn't matter what day of which month the Sabbath fell on any particular month of any particular year.

    Every month the numbering of days in a month begins anew with the new moon.
    However, the numbering of the days of the week begins anew with the passing of every seventh day (Sabbath).
    Since the new moon does not happen every 28 days (divisible by 7), the numbering of the days of the month and the numbering of the days of the week go out of sync with the next new moon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    It doesn't matter what day of which month the Sabbath fell on any particular month of any particular year.

    Every month the numbering of days in a month begins anew with the new moon.
    However, the numbering of the days of the week begins anew with the passing of every seventh day (Sabbath).
    Since the new moon does not happen every 28 days (divisible by 7), the numbering of the days of the month and the numbering of the days of the week go out of sync with the next new moon.
    Sorry I meant to ask: what day in the first month does the omer count begin on?

    Leviticus 23:15-16
    The Festival of Weeks
    15“ ‘From the day after the Sabbath, the day you brought the sheaf of the wave offering, count off seven full weeks. 16 Count off fifty days up to the day after the seventh Sabbath, and then present an offering of new grain to the Lord.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WatchmanOnTheWall View Post
    Sorry I meant to ask: what day in the first month does the omer count begin on?

    Leviticus 23:15-16
    The Festival of Weeks
    15“ ‘From the day after the Sabbath, the day you brought the sheaf of the wave offering, count off seven full weeks. 16 Count off fifty days up to the day after the seventh Sabbath, and then present an offering of new grain to the Lord.
    You have to find the weekly Sabbath that falls in the feast of Unleavened first, then you will know to begin counting the omer on the next day , which will always be on the first day of the week since that day is the day that always follows the weekly Sabbath.
    Every year the day of the month that the Sabbath during Pesach falls on will be different from the previous year.
    The Sabbath during Pesach will always fall on one of the following seven days: Abib 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21.
    The counting of the Omer will always begin on the first day of the week on one of the following seven days: Abib 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WatchmanOnTheWall View Post
    Are you saying that you did not write this in this post below:

    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5219386
    He literally asked a question but does not want an answer, its incredible. He says he does not know, then when you and others help him understand and spell it out he will not accept it and refuses to learn and just says he doesnt know. Its frustrasting just to read, Ihave no idea how you can continue lol

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    Shalom.

    Today is Shlishli, Ziv 2.

    It is evening, erev. It is night, laylah.

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    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

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