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    Israel and my Fellow Jews. When do we begin the Omer Count, the Count of the Omer?

    Shalom.

    This night, Rishon (Rishon means First, the First day of the week) Aviv 16 begins the second day of the feast of unleavened bread.

    When do we begin to count the omer? I know two ways that would begin the count today Aviv 16, but I don't know (for certain). Since the first day of the feast of unleavened bread was a holy day on Shabbat. The other options would be this Shabbat the day after Aviv 21 which is a Holy Day, or the day after that Shabbat. How do I interpret the relevant passage in the Torah and is there anything else that informs us in Jewish Writing or Literature?

    Thank you.

    Shalom.

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    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

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    It is Aviv 17 Omer 2 being night before day

    I counted Omer 1 after hearing from my Rabbi, and I now have an app on my phone too or as well. From Chabad. Therefore, this is what I am doing this year unless someone objects or I learn something different now or in the future. Having heard two ways before is different than knowing two ways that are the same day.
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

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    Shalom.

    Today is Shlishli, Aviv 18. It is night.

    Omer 3.

    Shalom.

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    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

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    Shalom.

    Today is Revi'i, Aviv 19. It is night. Omer 4
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    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

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    Shalom.

    This evening, night, begins Chamishi (Fifth), Aviv 20.

    Omer 5.
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    Shalom.

    Today is Rishon, Aviv 23. It is evening, night.

    It is Omer 8.
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    Shalom.

    Today is Sheni, Aviv 24. It is night. Omer 9.
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    Shalom.

    Today is Shlishli, Aviv 25. Omer 10. Evening. Night.
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    Shalom.

    Today is Revi'i, Aviv 26. It is evening, night. Erev, laylah. Omer 11.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Shalom.

    This night, Rishon (Rishon means First, the First day of the week) Aviv 16 begins the second day of the feast of unleavened bread.

    When do we begin to count the omer? I know two ways that would begin the count today Aviv 16, but I don't know (for certain). Since the first day of the feast of unleavened bread was a holy day on Shabbat. The other options would be this Shabbat the day after Aviv 21 which is a Holy Day, or the day after that Shabbat. How do I interpret the relevant passage in the Torah and is there anything else that informs us in Jewish Writing or Literature?

    Thank you.

    Shalom.

    Jacob
    Jacob are you saying day 15 Aviv and day 22 Aviv are Sabbaths?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WatchmanOnTheWall View Post
    Jacob are you saying day 15 Aviv and day 22 Aviv are Sabbaths?
    Today is Revi'i, Aviv 26. It is Yom.

    No.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    When do we begin to count the omer? I know two ways that would begin the count today Aviv 16, but I don't know (for certain). Since the first day of the feast of unleavened bread was a holy day on Shabbat. The other options would be this Shabbat the day after Aviv 21 which is a Holy Day, or the day after that Shabbat. How do I interpret the relevant passage in the Torah and is there anything else that informs us in Jewish Writing or Literature?
    The omer should be counted beginning on the first day of a week.

    Leviticus 23:15-16
    15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
    16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the Lord.


    Because the fiftieth day of counting the omer must fall on the day after a Sabbath, the only way to have that happen is if the forty-ninth day is always on a Sabbath.
    There is no special holy day that is called a Sabbath forty-nine days after the first day of the feast of unleavened bread, so the Sabbath on the forty-ninth day must be a weekly Sabbath.

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    Learn to read what is written.

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    This year, the Rabbinical counting and the Biblical counting fall on the same days of the week.
    Most years, the Rabbinical counting does not match the Biblical counting.
    Learn to read what is written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    The omer should be counted beginning on the first day of a week.

    Leviticus 23:15-16
    15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
    16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the Lord.


    Because the fiftieth day of counting the omer must fall on the day after a Sabbath, the only way to have that happen is if the forty-ninth day is always on a Sabbath.
    There is no special holy day that is called a Sabbath forty-nine days after the first day of the feast of unleavened bread, so the Sabbath on the forty-ninth day must be a weekly Sabbath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    This year, the Rabbinical counting and the Biblical counting fall on the same days of the week.
    Most years, the Rabbinical counting does not match the Biblical counting.
    I can think about what you have said, but I do not agree with your logic and reasoning.

    Omer 1 was the day after a Sabbath and a Holy Day, on Aviv 16, this year. I asked my Rabbi on Aviv 16 via my phone, a text message, when to start the count. I had known two ways, but was uncertain that it would be Aviv 16 even so.
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    I do not agree with your logic and reasoning.
    Rabbinical Judaism changed the way the omer is counted so the day of Bikkurim (first fruits) would not fall on the Gentile's Sunday because that is the day Jesus rose from the dead.
    Learn to read what is written.

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