Isn't it reasonable to doubt Young Earth Creationism?

[Greg Jennings]

7000, and to be a Christian, you have to have a relationship with God, not believe the earth is young or old.

The issue is this: if a large percentage of Christians continue to insist on obvious falsehoods, that will turn the young, now primarily educated generation away from it.

[Greg Jennings]

He is correct.

Did you, as 6days does, believe that sharks and lions once were vegetarians? And that only sin turned them to the food that they were physically designed to eat?

[Greg Jennings]

For themselves perhaps. But the survey data is pretty clear...Christianity's anti-scientific stance is driving people away from the faith, especially young people.

So when they want to argue a flat and young earth, let them take the stage and give 'em a microphone.

Precisely my fear

[Greg Jennings]

Lumping flat-earthers in with the rest of Biblical creationists is an insult to Biblical creationists.

Have you missed the flat Earth threads here? There are more than couple of you on this site alone who share the flat-Earth view

[JudgeRightly]

JR, I think you've been made aware before that C-14 breaks down completely in less than 100,000 years. Nothing in the Bible disputes that. And thousands of individual scientists have confirmed it

Well aware, and agreed. Which is why it's part of my argument.

Do you see how you might not be able to accurately measure a millions year old fossil with that method? It's like breaking open a diamond to look for coal: that stuff is long gone

It's the fact that you CAN find C14 in fossils and diamonds that we know that they are not millions of years old. You may want to go read the article yourself, because you've clearly missed the point of my argument.

You can't reject dating methods, then claim an improperly used dating method supports you. That's just silly

If there is significant amounts of C14 in fossils, diamonds, and other places which are claimed to be millions of years old, then those items cannot, I repeat, CANNOT be millions of years old, BECAUSE C14 breaks down completely (to levels which are insignificant) in less than 100,000 years.

[JudgeRightly]

Have you missed the flat Earth threads here? There are more than couple of you on this site alone who share the flat-Earth view

Have you noticed that in those threads are Christians who rebuke the flat earthers for believing lies and conspiracies?

[Greg Jennings]

One is founded on conspiracies, one is founded on evidence.

[sarcasm]Yeah, they're the same.[/sarcasm]

Do you think flat Earthers don't believe in their "evidence"? It's very very much the same as you denying established science in favor of a universe and Earth that are quite old

[Greg Jennings]

Have you noticed that in those threads are Christians who rebuke the flat earthers for believing lies and conspiracies?

Just as there are Christians here (ME!!!) arguing against your "theory". Again, I see little difference

[JudgeRightly]

The issue is this: if a large percentage of Christians continue to insist on obvious falsehoods, that will turn the young, now primarily educated generation away from it.

Primarily educated? Most students today do not obtain the same standard of education as was possible 30-50 years ago.

[Greg Jennings]

Well aware, and agreed. Which is why it's part of my argument.



It's the fact that you CAN find C14 in fossils and diamonds that we know that they are not millions of years old. You may want to go read the article yourself, because you've clearly missed the point of my argument.



If there is significant amounts of C14 in fossils, diamonds, and other places which are claimed to be millions of years old, then those items cannot, I repeat, CANNOT be millions of years old, BECAUSE C14 breaks down completely (to levels which are insignificant) in less than 100,000 years.

But you don't JR. Other than contaminants. I'm sorry, but that's simply not true. I've spoken personally to experts about this. It's a problem they quite literally laugh at

[Greg Jennings]

Primarily educated? Most students today do not obtain the same standard of education as was possible 30-50 years ago.

More students are college educated in this country than at any point in the past.


50 years ago less than half the population even attended college

[JudgeRightly]

But you don't JR. Other than contaminants. I'm sorry, but that's simply not true. I've spoken personally to experts about this. It's a problem they quite literally laugh at

Except there is c14 being discovered in significant amounts.

There are plenty of links on http://kgov.com/c14 that link to places it has been found.

[JudgeRightly]

More students are college educated in this country than at any point in the past.

50 years ago less than half the population even attended college

Sure, more people are being educated, but that's not what I was talking about. I said that it's not at the same standard. In other words, the quality of their education is not as good.

[Greg Jennings]

Except there is c14 being discovered in significant amounts.

There are plenty of links on http://kgov.com/c14 that link to places it has been found.

I know the importance of proper sourcing. Can you please find me a non-Young-Earth-Christian propaganda site that says the same information?

[Greg Jennings]

Sure, more people are being educated, but that's not what I was talking about. I said that it's not at the same standard. In other words, the quality of their education is not as good.

What is that based on? Why was it better in the past?