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    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
    Posters who avoid the data.
    Uh, you mean the people who read your link and asked questions about it?

    Those people?

    The ones you ignored?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    Uh, you mean the people who read your link and asked questions about it?

    Those people?

    The ones you ignored?

    I don't know what you are talking about.
    Did radiation start when God said "Let there be light"?
    Traditionally, young earth proponents dismiss radiometric dating as wildly inaccurate. The article I provided details the method used and the reliability of radiometric dating. No one discussed the article. What happened was a poster asked for the origin point of radiation on earth. The method for assessing that origin point would be to trace backward in time to find it. How? By using radiometric dating techniques since light is the original moment of creation by God.
    Thus, science is able to observe that God creation begins billions of years ago, not approximately 7000 years ago. This means it is reasonable for a Christian to acknowledge an old earth rather than a young earth. I have therefore answered the question of the OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonahdog View Post
    That is really not responsive to my comment.
    Then explain what you meant by 'he had to redo the earth within a few thousand years,' because I don't know what you're talking about---so that I can respond more directly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
    This is the first time on this site. No other names have been used.
    We're all anonymous, and there have been plenty of users here over the many years who have logged in and participated as different accounts. Your thinking isn't the most original I've ever seen, so it's obviously suggestive of someone who's been here before as a different alias.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
    I don't know what you are talking about.
    Did radiation start when God said "Let there be light"?
    Traditionally, young earth proponents dismiss radiometric dating as wildly inaccurate. The article I provided details the method used and the reliability of radiometric dating. No one discussed the article. What happened was a poster asked for the origin point of radiation on earth. The method for assessing that origin point would be to trace backward in time to find it. How? By using radiometric dating techniques since light is the original moment of creation by God.
    Thus, science is able to observe that God creation begins billions of years ago, not approximately 7000 years ago. This means it is reasonable for a Christian to acknowledge an old earth rather than a young earth. I have therefore answered the question of the OP.
    Certainly not! Indeed, let God be true but every man a liar. As it is written: “That You may be justified in Your words, And may overcome when You are judged.” - Romans 3:4 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...4&version=NKJV

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    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
    I post that science points toward God and share about radiation being in the very first moment of God's creation. Then, I get posters who avoid the data
    Your estimation of my own view is that I have God deceiving us, when as I've told you, the only ones who have God being deceitful are the ones who think 'six days' meant 'over 13 billion years,' which would be a bald faced lie, on His part---and I don't have God as a liar.
    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
    In any case, I enjoy discussing the glory of God. If that bothers you, I make no apologies.
    I enjoy that as well. What bothers me is that because I don't share your clavinist view of God's sovereignty, that you don't think that I value the glory of God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
    Did radiation start when God said "Let there be light"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
    I don't know what you are talking about.
    Did radiation start when God said "Let there be light"?
    Traditionally, young earth proponents dismiss radiometric dating as wildly inaccurate. The article I provided details the method used and the reliability of radiometric dating. No one discussed the article. What happened was a poster asked for the origin point of radiation on earth. The method for assessing that origin point would be to trace backward in time to find it. How? By using radiometric dating techniques since light is the original moment of creation by God.
    Thus, science is able to observe that God creation begins billions of years ago, not approximately 7000 years ago. This means it is reasonable for a Christian to acknowledge an old earth rather than a young earth. I have therefore answered the question of the OP.
    What do you think, in all the claims of Old Earthers, is the best evidence for the universe being billions of years old, and not about 7000 years old?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
    Did radiation start when God said "Let there be light"?
    Yes. Did the first light emanate from a star? No. God created stars including the sun to be the source of light later in the first week.
    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
    Traditionally, young earth proponents dismiss radiometric dating as wildly inaccurate. The article I provided details the method used and the reliability of radiometric dating. No one discussed the article. What happened was a poster asked for the origin point of radiation on earth. The method for assessing that origin point would be to trace backward in time to find it. How? By using radiometric dating techniques since light is the original moment of creation by God.
    You see the circularity in that thought?

    I addressed your idea. I said that God created everything already 'billions of years' along the decay curve. You said that if God did that, that He is deceptive, to which I responded that the only deception is if everything actually is billions of years old, because He told us, pointblank, 'six days,' which would therefor be a lie.

    I believe Adam was created with a bellybutton. I don't think that is deceptive.
    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
    Thus, science is able to observe that God creation begins billions of years ago, not approximately 7000 years ago. This means it is reasonable for a Christian to acknowledge an old earth rather than a young earth. I have therefore answered the question of the OP.
    You have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
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    There would have been no harmful radiation affecting God's creation before the fall.

    When God created the sun on day four, sure, there would have been radiation from it, but the atmosphere and magnetic fields of the earth would have been enough to protect it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idolater View Post
    We're all anonymous, and there have been plenty of users here over the many years who have logged in and participated as different accounts. Your thinking isn't the most original I've ever seen, so it's obviously suggestive of someone who's been here before as a different alias.
    LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Certainly not! Indeed, let God be true but every man a liar. As it is written: “That You may be justified in Your words, And may overcome when You are judged.” - Romans 3:4 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...4&version=NKJV

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    I don't disagree. My point is that the first days were longer than 24 hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idolater View Post
    Your estimation of my own view is that I have God deceiving us, when as I've told you, the only ones who have God being deceitful are the ones who think 'six days' meant 'over 13 billion years,' which would be a bald faced lie, on His part---and I don't have God as a liar.
    I enjoy that as well. What bothers me is that because I don't share your clavinist view of God's sovereignty, that you don't think that I value the glory of God.
    My point is that God is not deceptive. He shows us that his creation is billions of years old. He is not bound by an earth day of 24 hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    What do you think, in all the claims of Old Earthers, is the best evidence for the universe being billions of years old, and not about 7000 years old?
    Radiometric dating
    Observation of geology
    Observation of the universe
    Observation, observation, observation...

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