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    There is no such thing as a "deep state ". This is nothing but another conservative urban legend There are only the principled members of the Democrat party in Washington and the REAL news such as CNN as well as millions of concerned Americans who are trying to stop Trump from destroying America and possibly the entire planet .
    The Democrats are not trying to "destroy " Trump. They are trying to stop HIM from destroying this country . For eight years, the Republicans in congress, the fake news at Fox, Infowwars, Breitbart and elsewhere tried to destroy Barack Obama , but fortunately, they failed miserably .

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    For anyone interested, this article explains what the "Deep State" is and why we should be aware that it exists:

    The Deep State Is A Very Real Thing
    This entity is called the civil service, and it was created to limit the power of the president.

    There is something ominous-sounding in the deep state. It implies that beneath constitutionally ordained systems and principles, there is a deeper and more potent power in control of the nation. It implies a unified force deeply embedded in the republic that has its own agenda and the means to undermine the decisions of elected presidents and members of Congress. Its power derives from control of the mechanisms of power and being invisible.

    The deep state is, in fact, a very real thing. It is, however, neither a secret nor nearly as glamorous as the concept might indicate. It has been in place since 1871 and continues to represent the real mechanism beneath the federal government, controlling and frequently reshaping elected officials’ policies. This entity is called the civil service, and it was created to limit the power of the president.
    That's a pretty good article.

    The "deep state" is a conspiracist's term to make something normal and reasonable seem sinister. It refers to a real thing. A shallow state would necessarily be a dictatorship. But it's really quite simple: The government is not designed to turn on a dime at each election. The vast majority of the people in the government are neither politicians, nor political appointees, which, if you think about it, is a good thing, if you contemplate the prospect of appealing to a politician to honor your rights and treat you fairly at every turn. And that's how the Constitution and the many laws have established the government set it up, and it's explicitly within the control of the legislative process of Congress to change how the system works. Democracies are built around institutions and consensus, ours included. And this is why the people who work for the government, either in the civil service or the military, swear an oath to the Constitution. Because serving the country is not serving a person, it's serving an institution. And it's also why the fact that the man who purports to be President has on at least a few occasions attempted to get people working for the government to swear an oath to him personally is very concerning. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/3331
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/11/u...ey-firing.html

    So, why are we hearing so much about the "deep state" in the last year and a half? Because the country is under attack by people who find its institutional depth to be an obstacle. On the one hand, you have Trump, who is determined to have one-man rule under himself, and who is contemptuous of courts, members of Congress, officials in his own administration who are meant to be independent, anyone who might oppose him. He's set up a state-within-a-state of lackeys he can place in official roles, and family members. And on the other hand, you have Russia, which is running an intelligence op against us, deploying a massive amount of agitprop, and buying or building propaganda networks in order to convince Americans to tear down their own government and to undermine their trust in independent sources of information.

    http://www.newsweek.com/sinclair-bro...a-today-867029
    https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...p-state-214935

    Don't fear the "deep state". The threat is from the people who want to rule over you without democratic institutions or processes to protect you.
    Global warming denialists are like gravity denialists piloting a helicopter, determined to prove a point. We may not have time to actually persuade them of their mistake.

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    As noted before, the Founders were careful to make the state deep enough to keep any aspiring dicatator from grabbing power and ruling by decree.

    Hence, the separation of powers dividing the executive, legislative, and judicial functions. It is impossible, barring almost complete agreement among widely diverse people in the government, to turn the U.S. into a dictatorship.

    Deep State (noun) "Whaaaaa! I got to be president, but they still won't let me throw people into prisons! No Fair!"
    Let's say that I suffer from a delusion. I will call this delusion "Fact-check Syndrome." I respond by citing facts.

    Most people online don't want to be corrected. They do not care about anything that does not agree with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffreeloader View Post
    Deep state shills are paid. There is a massive amount of money behind them. $21 trillion in what has been stolen from the US alone, let alone what the central banks of stolen from the citizens of the US since the Federal Reserve was put into operation.
    Ah, the Federal Reserve, the boogie man of the sovereign citizens.

    Where is that $21 trillion now? Who has it? How can we get it back? And give it to whom it rightly belongs, Trump's cabinet members

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonahdog View Post
    Ah, the Federal Reserve, the boogie man of the sovereign citizens.

    Where is that $21 trillion now? Who has it? How can we get it back? And give it to whom it rightly belongs, Trump's cabinet members
    I'm always amazed at how proud a lot of people are of their ignorance. Here's a link to documentation, summary reports, and interviews with those involved in this investigation. https://missingmoney.solari.com/dod-...documentation/

    This is no small investigation by people who have no idea as to what they are doing. Oh, I know without a doubt that you will scoff at it and say what they found means nothing. But I didn't put this link here for you. I put it here for those honest people who are interested in learning. I already know you're not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonahdog View Post
    Ah, the Federal Reserve, the boogie man of the sovereign citizens.
    If you're not too afraid to learn, which you most likely are, I'll recommend a book to you on the Fed. It's a very good place to start investigating it as the author lays out how the Fed came into being, what the people responsible for starting it said about it over the years, and how the Fed has acted since it's start. The book is The Creature from Jekyll Island. Griffin put many years into researching the evidence found in this book. But, that won't matter to you. You'll dismiss it without a single thought or study.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    As noted before, the Founders were careful to make the state deep enough to keep any aspiring dicatator from grabbing power and ruling by decree.

    Hence, the separation of powers dividing the executive, legislative, and judicial functions. It is impossible, barring almost complete agreement among widely diverse people in the government, to turn the U.S. into a dictatorship.

    Deep State (noun) "Whaaaaa! I got to be president, but they still won't let me throw people into prisons! No Fair!"
    Show me where the founders created the cia, the fbi, the doj, and ses. Let's see it in the constitution and government documents from back then. Oh, that's right. Nothing like that exists. Oh, so sorry, barby.

    If Trump actually thought like you assert he does all he would have to do is assert someone is a terrorist and then use Obama's EO's that allow a president to throw US citizens in jail with no due process, or kill them if he wanted to. All on just the assertion of someone being a terrorist. No evidence, no investigation, no trial required. Obama's your power hungry madman. He used those EO's to kill several US citizens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffreeloader View Post
    Show me where the founders created the cia, the fbi, the doj, and ses. Let's see it in the constitution and government documents from back then. Oh, that's right. Nothing like that exists. Oh, so sorry, barby.

    If Trump actually thought like you assert he does all he would have to do is assert someone is a terrorist and then use Obama's EO's that allow a president to throw US citizens in jail with no due process, or kill them if he wanted to. All on just the assertion of someone being a terrorist. No evidence, no investigation, no trial required. Obama's your power hungry madman. He used those EO's to kill several US citizens.
    What are you talking about?
    Global warming denialists are like gravity denialists piloting a helicopter, determined to prove a point. We may not have time to actually persuade them of their mistake.

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    http://dailycaller.com/2018/04/01/de...ground-checks/

    44 Dems, Including Wasserman Schultz, Exempted Pakistani IT Aides From Background Checks

    Excerpt : Every one of the 44 House Democrats who hired Pakistan-born IT aides who later allegedly made “unauthorized access” to congressional data appears to have chosen to exempt them from background checks, according to congressional documents.

    All of them appear to have waived background checks on Imran Awan and his family members, even though the family of server administrators could collectively read all the emails and files of 1 in 5 House Democrats, and despite background checks being recommended for such positions, according to an inspector general’s report. The House security policy requires offices to fill out a form attesting that they’ve initiated background checks, but it also includes a loophole allowing them to simply say that another member vouched for them.

    Among the red flags in Abid’s background were a $1.1 million bankruptcy; six lawsuits against him or a company he owned; and at least three misdemeanor convictions including for DUI and driving on a suspended license, according to Virginia court records. Public court records show that Imran and Abid operated a car dealership referred to as CIA that took $100,000 from an Iraqi government official who is a fugitive from U.S. authorities. Numerous members of the family were tied to cryptic LLCs such as New Dawn 2001, operated out of Imran’s residence, Virginia corporation records show. Imran was the subject of repeated calls to police by multiple women and had multiple misdemeanor convictions for driving offenses, according to court records.


    If a screening had caught those, what officials say happened next might have been averted. The House inspector general reported on Sept. 20, 2016, that shortly before the election members of the group were logging into servers of members they didn’t work for, logging in using congressmen’s personal usernames, uploading data off the House network, and behaving in ways that suggested “nefarious purposes” and that “steps are being taken to conceal their activity.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by rexlunae View Post
    What are you talking about?
    I see you have problems with reading comprehension. I'm not surprised. It's a common failing among marxists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffreeloader View Post
    I see you have problems with reading comprehension. I'm not surprised. It's a common failing among marxists.
    No, I have a problem with you making up executive orders.
    Global warming denialists are like gravity denialists piloting a helicopter, determined to prove a point. We may not have time to actually persuade them of their mistake.

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    Obama State Dept used taxpayer dollars to fund George Soros group's political activities in Albania, watchdog group says

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    The Obama administration sent U.S. taxpayer funds to a group backed by billionaire George Soros to fund left-wing activities in Albania, a conservative watchdog group says.

    The group, Judicial Watch, obtained 32 pages of records from the Justice Department this week through a May 2017 Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit against the State Department and U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID.)


    The new documents show USAID funds were sent through the agency’s Civil Society Project to back Soros’ left-wing "East West Management Institute" through USAID's "Justice for All" campaign. USAID provided $8.8 million in 2016 to that campaign.


    The Justice for All Project was designed to strengthen the effectiveness and transparency of the courts in Albania. The project aimed to increase citizens’ trust in the judiciary and a more efficient judicial system, according to USAID.


    Judicial Watch said ,though, that money was used specifically to give the Albanian socialist government greater control of the judiciary system.


    “The Obama administration quietly spent at least $9 million in U.S. taxpayers’ dollars in direct collusion with left-wing billionaire George Soros’ backing of a socialist government in Albania,” Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton said in a statement Wednesday. “It is particularly outrageous that the State Department allowed the Soros operation to help direct taxpayer funds to other groups.”


    A USAID official told Fox News on Wednesday that the agency did not, however, provide grants to Soros' Open Society Foundation in Albania.


    But Judicial Watch said the records revealed that the State Department gave Soros’ Open Society Foundation “direct input” for its own program funding reviews in Albania.


    One report, from Feb. 10, 2017 on “Engagement with the Open Society Foundation for Albania” stated that “as one of the major assistance providers in Albania, representatives for the Open Society Foundation are frequently asked to participate in technical reviews of applications that we receive for funding.”


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    Quote Originally Posted by rexlunae View Post
    No, I have a problem with you making up executive orders.
    The story happened back in 2011 and I remembered it being an EO, but it was just Obama being Obama. Here's an article from that radical right wing extremist magazine, Salon. https://www.salon.com/2011/09/30/awlaki_6/

    What follows is a link to a list of Obama's unconstitional actions.

    https://nworeport.me/2015/12/16/a-li...al-violations/

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Horn View Post
    There is no such thing as a "deep state ". This is nothing but another conservative urban legend There are only the principled members of the Democrat party in Washington and the REAL news such as CNN as well as millions of concerned Americans who are trying to stop Trump from destroying America and possibly the entire planet .
    The Democrats are not trying to "destroy " Trump. They are trying to stop HIM from destroying this country . For eight years, the Republicans in congress, the fake news at Fox, Infowwars, Breitbart and elsewhere tried to destroy Barack Obama , but fortunately, they failed miserably .
    Ah, you got it all wrong, pardner. It's the Dems that are trying their best (their best is most peoples worst) to bring down the President of the United States. There now, I set you straight. Hopefully, you've learned a lesson now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffreeloader View Post
    That has to be the worst definition of the deep state I've ever seen, outside of the one Barby posted but then that is what I expect from Barby the shill.

    Here is a much better one. It is written by a former CIA officer. http://www.theamericanconservative.c...state-america/
    But this is even longer! :

    It has frequently been alleged that the modern Turkish Republic operates on two levels. It has a parliamentary democracy complete with a constitution and regular elections, but there also exists a secret government that has been referred to as the “deep state,” in Turkish “Derin Devlet.”

    The concept of “deep state” has recently become fashionable to a certain extent, particularly to explain the persistence of traditional political alignments when confronted by the recent revolutions in parts of the Middle East and Eastern Europe. For those who believe in the existence of the deep state, there are a number of institutional as well as extralegal relationships that might suggest its presence.

    Some believe that this deep state arose out of a secret NATO operation called “Gladio,” which created an infrastructure for so-called “stay behind operations” if Western Europe were to be overrun by the Soviet Union and its allies. There is a certain logic to that assumption, as a deep state has to be organized around a center of official and publicly accepted power, which means it normally includes senior officials of the police and intelligence services as well as the military. For the police and intelligence agencies, the propensity to operate in secret is a sine qua non for the deep state, as it provides cover for the maintenance of relationships that under other circumstances would be considered suspect or even illegal.

    In Turkey, the notion that there has to be an outside force restraining dissent from political norms was, until recently, even given a legal fig leaf through the Constitution of 1982, which granted to the military’s National Security Council authority to intervene in developing political situations to “protect” the state. There have, in fact, been four military coups in Turkey. But deep state goes far beyond those overt interventions. It has been claimed that deep state activities in Turkey are frequently conducted through connivance with politicians who provide cover for the activity, with corporate interests and with criminal groups who can operate across borders and help in the mundane tasks of political corruption, including drug trafficking and money laundering.

    A number of senior Turkish politicians have spoken openly of the existence of the deep state. Prime Minister Bulent Ecevit tried to learn more about the organization and, for his pains, endured an assassination attempt in 1977. Tansu Ciller eulogized “those who died for the state and those who killed for the state,” referring to the assassinations of communists and Kurds. There have been several significant exposures of Turkish deep state activities, most notably an automobile accident in 1996 in Susurluk that killed the Deputy Chief of the Istanbul Police and the leader of the Grey Wolves extreme right wing nationalist group. A member of parliament was also in the car and a fake passport was discovered, tying together a criminal group that had operated death squads with a senior security official and an elected member of the legislature. A subsequent investigation determined that the police had been using the criminals to support their operations against leftist groups and other dissidents. Deep state operatives have also been linked to assassinations of a judge, Kurds, leftists, potential state witnesses, and an Armenian journalist. They have also bombed a Kurdish bookstore and the offices of a leading newspaper.

    As all governments—sometimes for good reasons—engage in concealment of their more questionable activities, or even resort to out and out deception, one must ask how the deep state differs. While an elected government might sometimes engage in activity that is legally questionable, there is normally some plausible pretext employed to cover up or explain the act.

    But for players in the deep state, there is no accountability and no legal limit. Everything is based on self-interest, justified through an assertion of patriotism and the national interest. In Turkey, there is a belief amongst senior officials who consider themselves to be parts of the status in statu that they are guardians of the constitution and the true interests of the nation. In their own minds, they are thereby not bound by the normal rules. Engagement in criminal activity is fine as long as it is done to protect the Turkish people and to covertly address errors made by the citizenry, which can easily be led astray by political fads and charismatic leaders. When things go too far in a certain direction, the deep state steps in to correct course.

    And deep state players are to be rewarded for their patriotism. They benefit materially from the criminal activity that they engage in, including protecting Turkey’s role as a conduit for drugs heading to Europe from Central Asia, but more recently involving the movement of weapons and people to and from Syria. This has meant collaborating with groups like ISIS, enabling militants to ignore borders and sell their stolen archeological artifacts while also negotiating deals for the oil from the fields in the areas that they occupy. All the transactions include a large cut for the deep state.

    If all this sounds familiar to an American reader, it should, and given some local idiosyncrasies, it invites the question whether the United States of America has its own deep state.

    First of all, one should note that for the deep state to be effective, it must be intimately associated with the development or pre-existence of a national security state. There must also be a perception that the nation is in peril, justifying extraordinary measures undertaken by brave patriots to preserve life and property of the citizenry. Those measures are generically conservative in nature, intended to protect the status quo with the implication that change is dangerous.

    Those requirements certainly prevail in post 9/11 America, and also feed the other essential component of the deep state: that the intervening should work secretly or at least under the radar. Consider for a moment how Washington operates. There is gridlock in Congress and the legislature opposes nearly everything that the White House supports. Nevertheless, certain things happen seemingly without any discussion: Banks are bailed out and corporate interests are protected by law. Huge multi-year defense contracts are approved. Citizens are assassinated by drones, the public is routinely surveilled, people are imprisoned without be charged, military action against “rogue” regimes is authorized, and whistleblowers are punished with prison. The war crimes committed by U.S. troops and contractors on far-flung battlefields, as well as torture and rendition, are rarely investigated and punishment of any kind is rare. America, the warlike predatory capitalist, might be considered a virtual definition of deep state.

    One critic describes deep state as driven by the “Washington Consensus,” a subset of the “American exceptionalism” meme. It is plausible to consider it a post-World War II creation, the end result of the “military industrial complex” that Dwight Eisenhower warned about, but some believe its infrastructure was actually put in place through the passage of the Federal Reserve Act prior to the First World War. Several years after signing the bill, Woodrow Wilson reportedly lamented, “We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.”

    In truth America’s deep state is, not unlike Turkey’s, a hybrid creature that operates along a New York to Washington axis. Where the Turks engage in criminal activity to fund themselves, the Washington elite instead turns to banksters, lobbyists, and defense contractors, operating much more in the open and, ostensibly, legally. U.S.-style deep state includes all the obvious parties, both public and private, who benefit from the status quo: including key players in the police and intelligence agencies, the military, the treasury and justice departments, and the judiciary. It is structured to materially reward those who play along with the charade, and the glue to accomplish that ultimately comes from Wall Street. “Financial services” might well be considered the epicenter of the entire process. Even though government is needed to implement desired policies, the banksters comprise the truly essential element, capable of providing genuine rewards for compliance. As corporate interests increasingly own the media, little dissent comes from the Fourth Estate as the process plays out, while many of the proliferating Washington think tanks that provide deep state “intellectual” credibility are similarly funded by defense contractors.

    The cross fertilization that is essential to making the system work takes place through the famous revolving door whereby senior government officials enter the private sector at a high level. In some cases the door revolves a number of times, with officials leaving government before returning to an even more elevated position. Along the way, those select individuals are protected, promoted, and groomed for bigger things. And bigger things do occur that justify the considerable costs, to include bank bailouts, tax breaks, and resistance to legislation that would regulate Wall Street, political donors, and lobbyists. The senior government officials, ex-generals, and high level intelligence operatives who participate find themselves with multi-million dollar homes in which to spend their retirement years, cushioned by a tidy pile of investments.

    America’s deep state is completely corrupt: it exists to sell out the public interest, and includes both major political parties as well as government officials. Politicians like the Clintons who leave the White House “broke” and accumulate $100 million in a few years exemplify how it rewards. A bloated Pentagon churns out hundreds of unneeded flag officers who receive munificent pensions and benefits for the rest of their lives. And no one is punished, ever. Disgraced former general and CIA Director David Petraeus is now a partner at the KKR private equity firm, even though he knows nothing about financial services. More recently, former Acting CIA Director Michael Morell has become a Senior Counselor at Beacon Global Strategies. Both are being rewarded for their loyalty to the system and for providing current access to their replacements in government.

    What makes the deep state so successful? It wins no matter who is in power, by creating bipartisan-supported money pits within the system. Monetizing the completely unnecessary and hideously expensive global war on terror benefits the senior government officials, beltway industries, and financial services that feed off it. Because it is essential to keep the money flowing, the deep state persists in promoting policies that make no sense, to include the unwinnable wars currently enjoying marquee status in Iraq/Syria and Afghanistan. The deep state knows that a fearful public will buy its product and does not even have to make much of an effort to sell it.

    Of course I know that the United States of America is not Turkey. But there are lessons to be learned from its example of how a democracy can be subverted by particular interests hiding behind the mask of patriotism. Ordinary Americans frequently ask why politicians and government officials appear to be so obtuse, rarely recognizing what is actually occurring in the country. That is partly due to the fact that the political class lives in a bubble of its own creation, but it might also be because many of America’s leaders actually accept that there is an unelected, unappointed, and unaccountable presence within the system that actually manages what is taking place behind the scenes. That would be the American deep state.

    Philip Giraldi, a former CIA officer, is executive director of the Council for the National Interest.

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