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    Quote Originally Posted by heir View Post
    2 Timothy 2:26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Apple7 View Post
    The Dragon, The Old Serpent, The Devil, Satan was bound ‘edēsen’ (completed action), cast into the abyss ‘ebalen’ (completed action), shut ‘ekleisen’ (completed action), and sealed ‘esphragisen’ (completed action), that he can no longer deceive people‘planēsē’(singular, completed action), by Jesus. Rev 20.1 – 3
    future event

    Rev 20:3 and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be released for a little while.




    1 Peter 5.8


    νηψατε γρηγορησατε ο αντιδικος υμων διαβολος ως λεων ωρυομενος περιπατει ζητων καταπιειν

    nēpsate grēgorēsate ho antidikos hymōn diabolos hōs leōn ōryomenos peripatei zētōn tina katapiein

    Be sober-minded, watch, the adversary devil of you walks about in the same manner as a roaring lion seeking whom to devour;


    This passage does not refer to ‘The Devil’ himself, for several reasons:

    • ‘Diabolos’ is anarthrous (i.e. it lacks a preceding Greek definite article). Thus, rather than referring to ‘The Devil’ it refers to ‘A devil’, a demon – of which, the NT often refers to demons as devils.

    • ‘Ho antidikos’ (the adversary) is used in only one other NT passage, Mat 5.25, and is in the context of being thrown into prison.

    • The key word ‘hōs’ literally means ‘in the same manner as’, and is used to describe demons in Revelation, ‘in the same manner as’ a lion (Rev 9.8).
    G1228
    diabolos
    dee-ab'-ol-os
    From G1225; a traducer; specifically Satan

    Mat 4:1 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.G1228

    1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil G1228

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    I do not see "god of this age" as one of God's titles
    also notice god & God
    no version I have found uses a capitol G in "god of this age"
    Quote Originally Posted by Apple7 View Post
    None show their exegetical reasoning, either...
    all you have is the word "blinded"

    I do not see "god of this world" as one of God's titles.
    it is used of the devil tho


    Joh_12:31 Now is the judgment of this world; now will the ruler of this world be cast out.
    Joh_14:30 I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming. He has no claim on me,
    Joh_16:11 concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.

    Ruler....NOT Theos.
    so?
    1Co_8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

    Clearly, Satan is bound….but his demons are not.

    Simple Biblical truth.
    no and you have no evidence.



    No mention of Satan in that passage or the entire chapter for that matter...
    right here ,I underlined it for you

    2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world

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    Quote Originally Posted by way 2 go View Post
    future event

    Rev 20:3 and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be released for a little while.
    A past event.

    All Greek verbs are in the aorist (completed action).

    The only thing that is continuing right now is the 1K period of time, after which, Satan is unleashed upon the world and it comes to an end rather quickly.





    Quote Originally Posted by way 2 go View Post
    G1228
    diabolos
    dee-ab'-ol-os
    From G1225; a traducer; specifically Satan

    Mat 4:1 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.G1228
    An event that occurred BEFORE Satan was bound at The Cross.




    Quote Originally Posted by way 2 go View Post
    1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil G1228
    As already detailed, 'diabolos' is anarthrous in 1 Peter 5.8, and refers NOT to Satan, but to a demon...

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    Quote Originally Posted by way 2 go View Post
    I do not see "god of this age" as one of God's titles
    also notice god & God
    no version I have found uses a capitol G in "god of this age"
    Satan is never referred to as Theos in scripture...because he isn't.

    Context proves this...




    Quote Originally Posted by way 2 go View Post
    all you have is the word "blinded"
    Talk to scripture if you disagree...






    Quote Originally Posted by way 2 go View Post
    I do not see "god of this world" as one of God's titles.
    it is used of the devil tho
    Never of the devil.

    Satan is NOT God.

    Although, he may be to Satanists.

    Are you a Satanist?



    Quote Originally Posted by way 2 go View Post
    Joh_12:31 Now is the judgment of this world; now will the ruler of this world be cast out.
    Joh_14:30 I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming. He has no claim on me,
    Joh_16:11 concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.
    Entirely different words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    2 Corinthians 4:4 KJV - In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

    Jesus is not the god of this world.
    Yes, He is.



    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Who is the ruler of this world in the following verses?

    John 12:31 NKJV - "Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out.
    John 14:30 NKJV - "I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming, and he has nothing in Me.
    John 16:11 NKJV - "of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.

    It WAS Satan.

    But...he was bound at The Cross...and is no longer anything but impotent...until he is released in the last days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    You've got some of our biggest guns coming after you, Apple. But, I still think you may be onto something. The Cross was a triumph over principalities and powers, and the resurrection is said to have destroyed him with the power of death (the devil). Not sure if that means now or not.

    Col. 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

    Hebrews 2:14
    14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

    If we look at the verse in question in Youngs. "The good news of the glory of THE CHRIST, WHO IS THE IMAGE OF GOD." That seems to be speaking of the Jews who denied their Messiah.

    2 Corinthians 4:3-4 YLT
    3 and if also our good news is vailed, in those perishing it is vailed, 4 in whom the god of this age did blind the minds of the unbelieving, that there doth not shine forth to them the enlightening of the good news of the glory of the Christ, who is the image of God;

    I can't help but notice what Paul said in the previous verse.

    2 Corinthians 3:14-16 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
    Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

    Great passages, indeed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apple7 View Post
    Yes, He is.






    It WAS Satan.

    But...he was bound at The Cross...and is no longer anything but impotent...until he is released in the last days.
    Today is Revi'i, Fourth, Aviv 12, Evening and Morning, Night and Day.

    I do not know where you are getting your doctrine from. I have read and accept the Bible. It is God's Word. I do not know if it has or contains contradictions. I have discovered that what it says in one place may not be the same as what it says somewhere else.
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    In beginning He created God the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Today is Revi'i, Fourth, Aviv 12, Evening and Morning, Night and Day.

    I do not know where you are getting your doctrine from. I have read and accept the Bible. It is God's Word. I do not know if it has or contains contradictions. I have discovered that what it says in one place may not be the same as what it says somewhere else.

    If you are not Trinitarian, then why do you quote passages from a Trinitarian English rendering?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apple7 View Post
    If you are not Trinitarian, then why do you quote passages from a Trinitarian English rendering?
    Such as? I do not understand what you are objecting to.
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    In beginning He created God the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apple7 View Post
    A past event.

    All Greek verbs are in the aorist (completed action).

    The only thing that is continuing right now is the 1K period of time, after which, Satan is unleashed upon the world and it comes to an end rather quickly.
    future
    just like the rest of the chapter

    An event that occurred BEFORE Satan was bound at The Cross.

    As already detailed, 'diabolos' is anarthrous in 1 Peter 5.8, and refers NOT to Satan, but to a demon...
    both refer satan

    G1228
    diabolos
    dee-ab'-ol-os
    From G1225; a traducer; specifically Satan

    Mat 4:1 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.G1228

    1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil G1228

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    Quote Originally Posted by way 2 go View Post
    future
    just like the rest of the chapter



    both refer satan

    G1228
    diabolos
    dee-ab'-ol-os
    From G1225; a traducer; specifically Satan

    Mat 4:1 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.G1228

    1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil G1228


    So....

    Repeating yourself over and over again will somehow make it true?

    Show some real exegesis...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apple7 View Post
    So....

    Repeating yourself over and over again will somehow make it true?

    Show some real exegesis...
    has not been shown to be false yet.

    both refer satan

    G1228
    diabolos
    dee-ab'-ol-os
    From G1225; a traducer; specifically Satan

    Mat 4:1 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.G1228

    it was satan
    Mar_1:13 And he was in the wilderness forty days, being tempted by Satan.

    1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil G1228

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apple7 View Post
    Satan is never referred to as Theos in scripture...because he isn't.

    Context proves this...

    1Co_8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)



    Talk to scripture if you disagree...
    I agree with scripture


    Never of the devil.

    Satan is NOT God.
    satan poses as many gods

    Although, he may be to Satanists.

    Are you a Satanist?
    Ad hominem

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    Quote Originally Posted by way 2 go View Post
    has not been shown to be false yet.

    both refer satan

    G1228
    diabolos
    dee-ab'-ol-os
    From G1225; a traducer; specifically Satan

    Mat 4:1 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.G1228

    it was satan
    Mar_1:13 And he was in the wilderness forty days, being tempted by Satan.

    1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil G1228

    Your two examples...

    Observe the arthrous (i.e. THE Devil) of Mat 4.1…

    τοτε [ο] ιησους ανηχθη εις την ερημον υπο του πνευματος πειρασθηναι υπο του διαβολου


    Compare to the anarthrous (‘a’ devil) of 1 Peter 5.8…

    νηψατε γρηγορησατε ο αντιδικος υμων διαβολος ως λεων ωρυομενος περιπατει ζητων καταπιειν

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