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    Quote Originally Posted by 1Mind1Spirit View Post
    Whatever floats yer boat.
    Well, He's either God or He isn't. What say you?

    If you say He is the Son of God, then you're still saying He is God or He isn't. Which is it?

    Unless you believe there is more than one God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    The Jews who had rejected Him time and time again.
    So are you saying that those Jews rejected Him because He blinded their minds to the truth of the gospel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    So are you saying that those Jews rejected Him because He blinded their minds to the truth of the gospel?
    I'm saying it fits so much of scripture, it can't be denied.

    John 12:37-41 But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him: 38 That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed? 39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, 40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. 41 These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.

    I think the author of this OP makes an excellent point. It was the glory of the Lord (Jesus Christ) that blinded these Jews. John 12:41

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post

    If you say He is the Son of God, then you're still saying He is God or He isn't. Which is it?
    Without adulterating the word I am saying he is the son of God.

    Saying he is God the son is in my opinion adulterating.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 1Mind1Spirit View Post
    Without adulterating the word I am saying he is the son of God.

    Saying he is God the son is in my opinion adulterating.

    So is the Son of God a lesser God in your view, or another God, or not God at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apple7 View Post
    εν οις ο θεος του αιωνος τουτου ετυφλωσεν τα νοηματα των απιστων εις το μη αυγασαι τον φωτισμον του ευαγγελιου της δοξης του χριστου ος εστιν εικων του θεου

    en hois ho Theos tou aiōnos toutou etyphlōsen ta noēmata tōn apistōn eis to mē augasai ton phōtismon tou euangeliou tēs doxes tou Christou hos estin eikōn tou Theou

    In whom The God of this age has blinded the thoughts of the unbelieving, so that the brightness of the gospel of The Glory, The Christ who is the image of God, should not dawn on them. (2 Cor 4.4)


    Contrary to popular modern belief, ‘The God of this age’, (ho Theos tou aiōnos toutou), actually pertains to Jesus Christ and NOT Satan, and provides yet another potent scriptural proof for Jesus’ deity.

    Outside of 2 Cor 4.4, the only other inflections of ‘blinded’ (i.e. etyphlōsen & etyphlōken), used in the entire NT, are located in John 12, and 1 John 2, and have Jesus as the subject:

    • John 12 records that Isaiah wrote about Jesus, ‘The Arm of God’, ‘His Glory’ as blinding the thoughts of the unbelievers.

    • 1 John 2 records without Jesus’ light, the unbelievers are blinded.



    Contextually, the epithets contained within 2 Cor 4, including Theos, relate to Jesus…not to Satan.

    disagree

    "this world" is the key

    Joh_14:30 I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming

    Joh_18:36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting,

    1Co_3:19 For the wisdom of this world is folly with God.

    Co_4:4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers,

    Mar_4:15 And these are those by the wayside, where the Word is sown. And when they hear, Satan comes immediately and takes away the Word that was sown in their hearts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    So is the Son of God a lesser God in your view, or another God, or not God at all?
    None of the above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1Mind1Spirit View Post
    None of the above.
    Well, then how would you describe Him?


    God, Himself, called the Son, "God". You'd think He'd know.

    Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

    Thomas called Him, "My Lord and my God."

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    Quote Originally Posted by way 2 go View Post

    disagree

    "this world" is the key

    Joh_14:30 I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming

    Joh_18:36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting,

    1Co_3:19 For the wisdom of this world is folly with God.

    Co_4:4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers,

    Mar_4:15 And these are those by the wayside, where the Word is sown. And when they hear, Satan comes immediately and takes away the Word that was sown in their hearts.
    Why elevate satan to godhood.

    Kingdom here is the key.

    Jesus' kingdom is not of this world.

    Satan's is.

    He is a ruler, not a god.

    However he is greater in power and might than you and I are together or alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Well, then how would you describe Him?


    God, Himself, called the Son, "God". You'd think He'd know.

    Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

    Thomas called Him, "My Lord and my God."
    http://www.theonenessofgod.org/hebre...-throne-o-god/

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    Quote Originally Posted by way 2 go View Post

    disagree

    "this world" is the key

    Joh_14:30 I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming

    Joh_18:36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting,

    1Co_3:19 For the wisdom of this world is folly with God.

    Co_4:4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers,

    Mar_4:15 And these are those by the wayside, where the Word is sown. And when they hear, Satan comes immediately and takes away the Word that was sown in their hearts.
    I think "this world" is important, too, but have you ever looked at this in the Jewish Bible?

    2 Corinthians 4:4
    4 They do not come to trust because the god of the ‘olam hazeh has blinded their minds, in order to prevent them from seeing the light shining from the Good News about the glory of the Messiah, who is the image of God.

    This from wikipedia...

    Adon Olam, meaning "Master of the World," one of the names of God in Judaism. Tikkun olam (Hebrew: תִּיקוּן עוֹלָם), is a Hebrew phrase that means, 'repairing,' 'healing,' or 'perfecting' 'the world.' Olam Haba, the world to come (Jewish afterlife) Olam Ha-Zeh (Hebrew: עוֹלָם הַזֶּ֗ה), Hebrew for "this world"
    Also, God has always, and will always rule in the kingdom of men.

    Daniel 4:17 This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1Mind1Spirit View Post
    Oh, so you don't believe Jesus is God at all?


    How do you explain John 1:1...the Word was God and became flesh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1Mind1Spirit View Post
    Why elevate satan to godhood.

    Kingdom here is the key.

    Jesus' kingdom is not of this world.

    Satan's is.

    He is a ruler, not a god.

    However he is greater in power and might than you and I are together or alone.
    John 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

    John 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

    John 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    John 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

    John 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

    John 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Oh, so you don't believe Jesus is God at all?


    How do you explain John 1:1...the Word was God and became flesh?
    How many times have you heard me speak of oneness,you who thinks I should be at your knee?

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