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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    Whether people worshiped Jesus is not the issue.

    The issue is whether worshiping Jesus is required in order to be a Christian.

    John 4:24-25
    23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
    24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.



    John 20:31
    31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.


    From everything I have read in the Bible, we are to worship the Father and believe that Jesus is the Son of God.
    If Jesus is being worshiped and the people were not stopped for it, it proves that Jesus is God, because ONLY God is to be worshiped, it is what the Bible says.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    You seem to think there is a problem with believing what is written.

    John 10:34-38
    34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
    35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
    36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
    Oh contraire my friend. Are you suggesting we are really literally gods? I know what Jesus said. More importantly, I know what He means by it.
    If any of my views seem to be strange or new to you, it is to be hoped that you will not close your mind to them, but will emulate the noble Bereans, and not only read and study the chapters would discuss, but will also search the Scriptures to see whether these things be so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    Asking if Jesus is a created being will only lead to doctrines of men.
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    Exactly, which is why the question is asked.
    You want to lead the conversation away from the words of the Bible and into the unprofitable doctrines of men?
    Learn to read what is written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    You want to lead the conversation away from the words of the Bible and into the unprofitable doctrines of men?
    That's not what is happening by the asking of that question.
    If any of my views seem to be strange or new to you, it is to be hoped that you will not close your mind to them, but will emulate the noble Bereans, and not only read and study the chapters would discuss, but will also search the Scriptures to see whether these things be so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    If Jesus is being worshiped and the people were not stopped for it, it proves that Jesus is God
    It doesn't prove that Jesus is God, it only shows that Jesus was worshiped.

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    , because ONLY God is to be worshiped, it is what the Bible says.
    Nothing in the Bible shows that Jesus is worshiped AS God.

    You do know that many men were worshiped in the Bible and that doesn't prove that any of them were God, right?

    Nobody stopped David from worshiping Saul, but that does not prove that Saul is God.

    1 Samuel 24:8
    8 David also arose afterward, and went out of the cave, and cried after Saul, saying, My lord the king. And when Saul looked behind him, David stooped with his face to the earth, and bowed himself.

    Learn to read what is written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    Oh contraire my friend. Are you suggesting we are really literally gods?
    I am not suggesting that we are gods, but I am pointing out that Jesus already addressed the argument about whether being called god is the same as being God Himself.

    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    I know what Jesus said. More importantly, I know what He means by it.
    I know what Jesus said and what the passage means as well.
    Learn to read what is written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    That's not what is happening by the asking of that question.
    Yes it is, that is why I am wondering about your intentions.
    Learn to read what is written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    Yes it is, that is why I am wondering about your intentions.
    good for you

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    So we have another who says Jesus was created.....silly me. shame on me for not knowing this was prevalent.
    If any of my views seem to be strange or new to you, it is to be hoped that you will not close your mind to them, but will emulate the noble Bereans, and not only read and study the chapters would discuss, but will also search the Scriptures to see whether these things be so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    So we have another who says Jesus was created.....silly me. shame on me for not knowing this was prevalent.
    You can't be referring to me, since I have never said Jesus was created.
    Learn to read what is written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    You can't be referring to me, since I have never said Jesus was created.
    I didn't say it was you. Praise God that heresey never touched your mouth.
    If any of my views seem to be strange or new to you, it is to be hoped that you will not close your mind to them, but will emulate the noble Bereans, and not only read and study the chapters would discuss, but will also search the Scriptures to see whether these things be so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    It doesn't prove that Jesus is God, it only shows that Jesus was worshiped.
    It does prove that Jesus is God because Jesus did not tell people to stop worshiping him. We are told to worship GOD only.

    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post

    Nothing in the Bible shows that Jesus is worshiped AS God.
    Of course he was.

    People threw themselves at his feet.

    The angel said only do that to God.

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    You do know that many men were worshiped in the Bible and that doesn't prove that any of them were God, right?
    We are speaking about the New Covenant.

    Revelation 22:8-9 I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who keep the words of this scroll. Worship God!”

    Acts 10:25-26 As Peter entered the house, Cornelius met him and fell at his feet in reverence. But Peter made him get up. “Stand up,” he said, “I am only a man myself.”
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    You just told a lie when you said that believing what the Bible actually states clearly about the relationship between God and Jesus "will be your ticket to hell."
    Your salvation does not depend on whether you believe in the Trinity (a concept never stated clearly in the Bible) or whether you believe that Jesus is the Son of God and not God Himself (as is stated clearly in the Bible).

    Yes, your salvation does depend on those things: living by God's will.
    It's a good thing you aren't the decider in these issues of basic doctrine....especially what the Bible says about the ONE God being Triune. I'm just sorry you can't see what is clearly shown throughout the Bible.

    You are stuck with the notion that Jesus is a lesser God or no God at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    You seem to think there is a problem with believing what is written.

    John 10:34-38
    34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
    35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
    36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
    And, of course, He is quoting scripture that was speaking of the Judges of Israel who only spoke for God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post



    Ask instead whether you can overcome the world if you are confused about whether Jesus is God Himself or if Jesus is the Son of God.

    1 John 5:5
    5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
    If you want to quote a verse, you should have a better understanding of it before you use it as an example. Jesus overcame the world.

    John 16:33
    These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

    Lest you forget what He accomplished on the cross.

    Colossians 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

    It's our faith in the ONE who overcame that makes us overcomers. Never forget that.

    1 John 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. 5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

    And, of course, you stop just short of the three that bear record....the three who are ONE.

    John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.


    Picking and choosing is not a good method for getting to the whole Truth.

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