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    Quote Originally Posted by marhig View Post
    I don't listen? Have you seen how many verses say that the father is the God of Jesus? Even Jesus saying so himself? Why shouldn't I listen to them?


    John 1:1
    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


    John 16:27 I came out from God.

    John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,

    John 6:38 For I came down from heaven,




    The Word was with God and was God....He came out from God...down from heaven...and became flesh to dwell among us. It's all there. How can you not see it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marhig View Post
    And then there's Hebrews 1:9

    Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; thereforeGOD, EVEN THY GOD,hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

    Not only does it say here that God is his God, but that God anointed him above all of his fellows.

    So he has a God and his God is the father, who sent him, who anointed him, who exalted him, who gave him power over all flesh, who have him commandments to keep and gave him the words to speak. And Jesus lived by his will completely bringing us a new and living way to follow, and those who are his sheep, hear his voice and they follow him. And obey God and live by his will as Jesus did and if Christ is in us, then he will be guiding us through the Spirit to live right before God and obey him. As Jesus said it is those who live by the will of God, who enter into the kingdom of heaven.

    Right I'm off, speak soon God willing.
    Before He was a man, He created all things. It's sad you deny your God and Saviour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marhig View Post
    It doesn't say that they are one God, but that they are one, and we are one with them when we belong to God.

    Anyway I have to go.
    You may not have another day. If you die tonight, you're lost. Deny that at your own peril.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    John 1:1
    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


    John 16:27 I came out from God.

    John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,

    John 6:38 For I came down from heaven,




    The Word was with God and was God....He came out from God...down from heaven...and became flesh to dwell among us. It's all there. How can you not see it?
    Indoctrination!
    If any of my views seem to be strange or new to you, it is to be hoped that you will not close your mind to them, but will emulate the noble Bereans, and not only read and study the chapters would discuss, but will also search the Scriptures to see whether these things be so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marhig View Post
    GT,. I believe what Jesus himself says, and he said that father is his God, And that the father of the only true God. Why shouldn't I believe him when he says this?
    God is Spirit. There is only one Spirit. Jesus' spirit is the Spirit of God come as a Son of God, a Son of Man.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marhig View Post
    We are of one heart and one mind when we are born of God. And we are at one with the father and Christ when we walk with them in the Spirit.

    Jesus and the father are one, and we are one with them once we belong to God. We are one as they are one.

    And those that belong to God are all one in the love of God through Christ.
    Jesus' blood washes away the sins of the world; our blood does not.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    It makes you an idiot, because the Bible is more than one verse, and your misunderstanding of that verse will be your ticket to hell.
    You just told a lie when you said that believing what the Bible actually states clearly about the relationship between God and Jesus "will be your ticket to hell."
    Your salvation does not depend on whether you believe in the Trinity (a concept never stated clearly in the Bible) or whether you believe that Jesus is the Son of God and not God Himself (as is stated clearly in the Bible).
    Quote Originally Posted by marhig View Post
    And what brings us to hell is not living by God's will, and living by the lusts of the flesh. Jesus said, those who enter into the kingdom of heaven, are those who do the will of father.
    Yes, your salvation does depend on those things: living by God's will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    So Jesus IS A GOD!!!! Just Jesus is not the GOD THE FATHER!!!! all righty then.
    You seem to think there is a problem with believing what is written.

    John 10:34-38
    34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
    35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
    36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    is Jesus a created being?
    Asking if Jesus is a created being will only lead to doctrines of men.

    Ask instead whether Jesus was begotten by God.

    Psalm 2:7
    7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.



    Ask instead whether you have to believe on the Son of God to be saved.

    John 3:36
    36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.



    Ask instead whether you can overcome the world if you are confused about whether Jesus is God Himself or if Jesus is the Son of God.

    1 John 5:5
    5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    They worshiped Jesus.
    Whether people worshiped Jesus is not the issue.

    The issue is whether worshiping Jesus is required in order to be a Christian.

    John 4:24-25
    23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
    24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.



    John 20:31
    31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.


    From everything I have read in the Bible, we are to worship the Father and believe that Jesus is the Son of God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    You just keep 'splaining, don't you? 'splain this.... " Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?
    Jesus prayed that all the believers will be in the Father and one with the Father and Jesus in the same manner that Jesus is in the Father, the Father is in Jesus, and Jesus is one with the Father.

    John 17:19-21
    19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
    20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
    21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.


    If you claiming that all of us believers are also God Himself, that would be blasphemy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    John 1:1
    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


    John 16:27 I came out from God.

    John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,

    John 6:38 For I came down from heaven,




    The Word was with God and was God....He came out from God...down from heaven...and became flesh to dwell among us. It's all there. How can you not see it?
    You make a compelling argument that the entire Trinity doctrine is based only on a single word from a single verse in the Bible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    You may not have another day. If you die tonight, you're lost. Deny that at your own peril.
    You are out of line.
    God did not give you the authority to make that judgement and Paul rebuked people doing the same thing you are doing.

    Romans 14:4-13
    4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
    5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
    6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
    7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
    8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
    9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
    10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
    11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
    12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
    13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apple7 View Post
    Therefore, JW's are NOT Christian.
    They don't like it when you talk to them about Jesus, especially if you dominate the conversion and 'bang on' about Jesus this and Jesus that. Oh they will say at first that they believe in Jesus but after while you will get the; "You have a nice now" and they leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    Asking if Jesus is a created being will only lead to doctrines of men.
    Exactly, which is why the question is asked.
    If any of my views seem to be strange or new to you, it is to be hoped that you will not close your mind to them, but will emulate the noble Bereans, and not only read and study the chapters would discuss, but will also search the Scriptures to see whether these things be so.

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