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    Quote Originally Posted by George Affleck View Post
    How did I know you couldn't/wouldn't answer the question?

    Stripe is right.
    Mocking is best.
    I did answer your question, second paragraph of post 46.

    You didn’t answer mine, first paragraph of post 46.

    Such dishonesty is a bad testimony.

    Mocking is never best, but it is a refuge of people without honor.

    You can’t even admit you don’t think the Good Samaritan was a historical figure. How can your position be so weak that you can’t admit that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2003cobra View Post
    Neither story is literal history.
    Then I guess there ain't no plants, animals, birds, and fish either.

    We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
    They already know monsters exist.
    We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Then I guess there ain't no plants, animals, birds, and fish either.
    Did God create man before plants or plants before man?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2003cobra View Post
    I did answer your question, second paragraph of post 46.

    You didn’t answer mine, first paragraph of post 46.
    You still didn't answer.
    Such dishonesty is bad testimony.

    But I will answer you anyway.
    It is entirely possible that, being God, Jesus knew that there was such a historical figure and that things happened exactly the way He said they did. If it was simply a teaching tool, then there is also no problem.

    The problem comes in when you emphatically state something that you do not know to be true.
    Your credibility stinks because of it.

    Will you admit that it is possible the Good Samaritan was a historical figure or not?
    If not, please show the proof.
    Religion is man's attempt to make himself acceptable to God. Christianity is God making man acceptable to Himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2003cobra View Post
    Did God create man before plants or plants before man?
    He created grass, trees, herbs and shrubs, with the ability to propagate, outside of the garden, on Day 3.

    He created Adam and Eve and caused edible, fruit-bearing trees to grow (tsamach - sprout, spring up, bud) in the garden on Day 6.
    Religion is man's attempt to make himself acceptable to God. Christianity is God making man acceptable to Himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Affleck View Post
    Stripe is right.


    That's never happened before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Affleck View Post
    He created grass, trees, herbs and shrubs, with the ability to propagate, outside of the garden, on Day 3.

    He created Adam and Eve and caused edible, fruit-bearing trees to grow (tsamach - sprout, spring up, bud) in the garden on Day 6.
    The second creation story disagrees with you. It says man was formed when no plants had yet sprung up.

    In the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, 5 when no plant of the field was yet in the earth and no herb of the field had yet sprung up—for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was no one to till the ground; 6 but a stream would rise from the earth, and water the whole face of the ground— 7 then the Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and the man became a living being. 8

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Affleck View Post
    He created grass, trees, herbs and shrubs, with the ability to propagate, outside of the garden, on Day 3.

    He created Adam and Eve and caused edible, fruit-bearing trees to grow (tsamach - sprout, spring up, bud) in the garden on Day 6.
    And the first creation story disagrees with you:

    Then God said, “Let the earth put forth vegetation: plants yielding seed, and fruit trees of every kind on earth that bear fruit with the seed in it.” And it was so. 12 The earth brought forth vegetation: plants yielding seed of every kind, and trees of every kind bearing fruit with the seed in it. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, the third day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2003cobra View Post
    The second creation story disagrees with you.
    There is no second creation.
    It's a figment of your imagination.
    Religion is man's attempt to make himself acceptable to God. Christianity is God making man acceptable to Himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Affleck View Post
    There is no second creation.
    It's a figment of your imagination.
    I never said that there was a second creation.

    I stated the fact that the Bible has two creation stories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2003cobra View Post
    Did God create man before plants or plants before man?
    I pointed out to you the verses that say God created plants before man and man before there were any cultivated fields of plants and herbs.
    You are ignoring the facts because they invalidate your claim that there are two creation accounts instead of a single one.

    Here it is again:
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    Genuine original wrote:
    The text says God created food trees on the third day...

    As I wrote: A denial of the text.

    Genesis 1:11-13 New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)

    11 Then God said, “Let the earth put forth vegetation: plants yielding seed, and fruit trees of every kind on earth that bear fruit with the seed in it.” And it was so. 12 The earth brought forth vegetation: plants yielding seed of every kind, and trees of every kind bearing fruit with the seed in it. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, the third day.
    Yep, plants were created on the third day.

    Quote Originally Posted by 2003cobra View Post
    Yet the second creation story story says man was formed before any plants had sprung up:

    In the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, 5 when no plant of the field was yet in the earth and no herb of the field had yet sprung up—for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was no one to till the ground; 6 but a stream would rise from the earth, and water the whole face of the ground— 7 then the Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and the man became a living being.
    Yep, these verses state that there are no cultivated fields of plants and herbs when man was made.
    There is no conflict between the two passages.
    Learn to read what is written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2003cobra View Post
    Did God create man before plants or plants before man?
    According to you, none of it is historical and actually happened.
    So neither were created first because both stories (to you) were just teaching stories and not actual events.

    So what's your story of the real historical event of the first man being created??????

    We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
    They already know monsters exist.
    We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    I pointed out to you the verses that say God created plants before man and man before there were any cultivated fields of plants and herbs.
    You are ignoring the facts because they invalidate your claim that there are two creation accounts instead of a single one.

    Here it is again:
    I encourage you to read the NET Bible translator notes from the second creation story. They are easy to find online.

    The second creation story says man was formed, to quote the translator notes, “back before anything was growing.”

    Your position explicitly contradicts the first creation story, which says:
    Then God said, “Let the earth put forth vegetation: plants yielding seed, and fruit trees of every kind on earth that bear fruit with the seed in it.” And it was so. 12 The earth brought forth vegetation: plants yielding seed of every kind, and trees of every kind bearing fruit with the seed in it. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, the third day.


    Plants yielding seed of every kind and trees of every kind bearing fruit were brought forth by the earth on Day 3. Your position contradicts that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    According to you, none of it is historical and actually happened.
    So neither were created first because both stories (to you) were just teaching stories and not actual events.

    So what's your story of the real historical event of the first man being created??????
    We don’t know the real story of man’s creation.

    Why is it important to you? We are here. Jesus has proved Himself to be God with His signs and resurrection.

    Do you add a belief in the literalness of the first or second creation story as a requirement for salvation? Do you reject anyone who does not take one or both of those stories as literal history as not being part of the body of Christ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2003cobra View Post
    I encourage you to read the NET Bible translator notes from the second creation story.
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