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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulcan Logician View Post
    Hi guys!
    "Guys"?

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    Are you a patriarchy-perpetuating, CIS identity assuming, misogynistic bigot? You owe every non-"guy" here an apology, xir, for your hurtful word choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ask Mr. Religion View Post
    One does wonder why not a few seek out a venue to put themselves in harm's way rather than enjoying the comfort of the like-minded.

    Experience teaches me that the motivations are inevitably self-serving rather than any claim to altruism.

    Just sayin'.

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    "One does wonder?" Well, let me ease your bewilderment...

    1) I'm not a coward who needs to surround himself with people who agree with him. My beliefs are the same whether I'm around like-minded people or "the enemy camp." I'm also willing to admit when I'm wrong. I see it as a growing experience...something to be sought after rather than something to be avoided. So either way, I'm fine being around people who disagree with my assessments. They will either fail to prove me wrong, and I'll see that my views survive scrutiny. Or they'll point out an error in my reasoning and I'll learn from it. Seems like a win/win.

    2) I didn't join the forum for altruistic reasons. Who does that?

    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    "Guys"?

    Really?

    Are you a patriarchy-perpetuating, CIS identity assuming, misogynistic bigot? You owe every non-"guy" here an apology, xir, for your hurtful word choice.
    Lol. I'm not politically correct. It's too hard. Too many rules. Besides, being offensive is unavoidable. If you try to avoid it at all costs, you'll end up not speaking your mind. I believe everybody should speak their mind, whether what they have to say is offensive or not. The PC folks are shooting themselves in the foot by trying to censor bigotry. The more we hear bigotry, the better we can identify it for what it is. "Speak up, David Duke, let everyone hear how UTTERLY STUPID you are!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulcan Logician View Post

    2) I didn't join the forum for altruistic reasons. Who does that?
    Get out of your cave.
    Live and learn.
    It happens.

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    They already know monsters exist.
    We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ask Mr. Religion View Post
    One does wonder why not a few seek out a venue to put themselves in harm's way rather than enjoying the comfort of the like-minded.

    Experience teaches me that the motivations are inevitably self-serving..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulcan Logician View Post
    I'm not a coward who needs to surround himself with people who agree with him. My beliefs are the same whether I'm around like-minded people or "the enemy camp." I'm also willing to admit when I'm wrong. I see it as a growing experience...something to be sought after rather than something to be avoided. So either way, I'm fine being around people who disagree with my assessments. They will either fail to prove me wrong, and I'll see that my views survive scrutiny. Or they'll point out an error in my reasoning and I'll learn from it. Seems like a win/win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ask Mr. Religion View Post
    One does wonder why not a few seek out a venue to put themselves in harm's way rather than enjoying the comfort of the like-minded.
    Why argue with people on the internet at all? We got along just fine before it, we still argued but we had to do it in person or by mail which made it slower.
    Experience teaches me that the motivations are inevitably self-serving rather than any claim to altruism.

    Just sayin'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fool View Post
    Why argue with people on the internet at all?
    Because it is an accessible means by which to test one's ideas. When I arrived at TOL I had numerous views that were not founded in reality or reason. The people here helped immensely in shaving those off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Get out of your cave.
    Live and learn.
    It happens.
    Yeah, I guess you have a point. I can see how some people might actually do that. Maybe I should have just pointed out that it isn't commonplace, nor is it realistic to expect it from anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    "Guys"?

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    Religion is man's attempt to make himself acceptable to God. Christianity is God making man acceptable to Himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulcan Logician View Post
    I came in search of discussion with fundamentalists. There are fundies on every Christian forum, yes, but the population is dilute with those who accept evolution, the big bang etc., etc... I'm looking for "Six days is six days!" and "God stretched the light from Andromeda to Earth" hardcore, unapologetic fundamentalists with which to exchange dialogue.
    Pick a topic you want to discuss and start a thread in the Religion forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    Pick a topic you want to discuss and start a thread in the Religion forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    Pick a topic you want to discuss and start a thread in the Religion forum.
    Ready!

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    Religion is man's attempt to make himself acceptable to God. Christianity is God making man acceptable to Himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Affleck View Post
    Ready!
    That says: Ready, finish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    That says: Ready, finish.
    Don't confuse me with facts!!

    Religion is man's attempt to make himself acceptable to God. Christianity is God making man acceptable to Himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Affleck View Post
    Don't confuse me with facts!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulcan Logician View Post
    Hi guys!

    I was referred here by Alpha, from AF.org. (It took me a while, but I'm finally here.)

    I am a nonbeliever. I am a member of several Christian forums and an atheist forum. I came in search of discussion with fundamentalists. There are fundies on every Christian forum, yes, but the population is dilute with those who accept evolution, the big bang etc., etc... I'm looking for "Six days is six days!" and "God stretched the light from Andromeda to Earth" hardcore, unapologetic fundamentalists with which to exchange dialogue.

    You'll find that I'm super respectful of others' beliefs, and (if I do happen to offend) I'm receptive to criticism on that account. I came here to discuss things--not to feel superior to anyone or score "in your face" points.

    I've read and appreciate much of the Bible, and I find the Gospels (particularly the Sermon on the Mount) morally compelling. Anyway, there's plenty of time to discuss these things elsewhere in the forums. See you in the threads!

    Vulcan
    I used to be a six-day fundamentalist. Then I read the Bible and realized that it specifically contradicts that position.

    Have you noticed that there are two creation stories with different orders, methods, and time periods of creation? They also have different conclusions.

    The first is Genesis 1.1-2.4a, which has:
    Order plants, animals, man and woman
    Method - God told the earth to bring forth plants and animals
    Time period six days
    Conclusion man is to rule over and be the steward of nature

    The second begins in Genesis 2.4b, which has:
    Order man, plants, animals, and woman
    Method - God formed with His hands
    Time period one day
    Conclusion man is be dedicated to his wife, as she is the perfect partner designed by God

    The fact that there are two radically different creation stories in the first two chapters of Genesis is proof from the Bible that we are not to take these stories as literal history.

    Fundamentalists rarely read the second creation story, and if they do, they ignore what it actually says.

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