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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Again sinners Christ died for are Loved by God while theyre sinners/workers of iniquity Rom 5:8
    Yes, Christ died for all sinners.

    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners /workers of iniquity, Christ died for us.

    So they could not be the workers of iniquity God hates in Ps 5:5 thats a contradiction in God
    God hates the actions of the workers of iniquity.

    Proverbs 6:16-19
    16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
    17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
    18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
    19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.


    But God still loves mankind so much that He sent His only begotten Son to die for us.

    John 3:16
    16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


    Jesus came to call workers of iniquity to repentance.

    Matthew 9:13
    13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.


    God is commanding everyone to repent.

    Acts 17:30
    30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:


    God is being patient with mankind because He doesn't want anyone to perish, but wants everyone to repent.

    2 Peter 3:9
    9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.



    From all of this, we see that the elect come from the sinners that choose to repent.
    Learn to read what is written.

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    God hates the actions of the workers of iniquity.
    Though thats true, thats not what Ps 5:5 says. In this verse God hates the persons, the workers of iniquity.

    Thats not true of the workers of iniquity in Rom 5:8 God loves their persons.


    Yes, Christ died for all sinners.
    Theres no scripture for that statement, certainly Rom 5:8 doesnt say that.
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Though thats true, thats not what Ps 5:5 says. In this verse God hates the persons, the workers of iniquity.
    Yes, and by looking through the rest of scriptures, it is clear that God hates the workers of iniquity that do not repent, but God loves the sinner that does repent.
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    Yes, Christ died for all sinners.
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    Theres no scripture for that statement, certainly Rom 5:8 doesnt say that.
    Christ died for all sinners

    2 Corinthians 5:14-15
    14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
    15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

    Learn to read what is written.

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    Yes, and by looking through the rest of scriptures, it is clear that God hates the workers of iniquity that do not repent, but God loves the sinner that does repent.
    This thread isnt about the rest of scripture, its about the elect whom God loved as ungodly sinners, workers of iniquity Rom 5:8

    8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

    How they cant be the workers of iniquity, sinners that God hates in Ps 5:5

    That would be a contradiction in God. Rom 5:8 says nothing about while being repented God commendeth his love toward us, but while being sinners !
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

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    Christ died for all sinners

    2 Corinthians 5:14-15
    14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
    15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.


    Theres not a word in this passage stating that Christ died for all sinners, its all in your imagination !
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    This thread isnt about the rest of scripture, its about the elect whom God loved as ungodly sinners, workers of iniquity Rom 5:8

    8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

    How they cant be the workers of iniquity, sinners that God hates in Ps 5:5

    That would be a contradiction in God. Rom 5:8 says nothing about while being repented God commendeth his love toward us, but while being sinners !
    You think there is a contradiction because you are refusing to look at all scriptures to find out what harmonizes the two verses.
    The rest of scriptures show that God hates the sinner that refuses to repent but loves the sinner that does repent.
    Learn to read what is written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Theres not a word in this passage stating that Christ died for all sinners, its all in your imagination !
    All have sinned.

    Romans 3:23
    23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;


    Christ died for all.

    2 Corinthians 5:14-15
    14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
    15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.


    Christ said that all will die unless they repent.

    Luke 13:5
    5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

    Learn to read what is written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    You think there is a contradiction because you are refusing to look at all scriptures to find out what harmonizes the two verses.
    The rest of scriptures show that God hates the sinner that refuses to repent but loves the sinner that does repent.
    No I dont think theres a contradiction, I know it is if the sinners God loved in Rom 5:8 are the same sinners He hates in Ps 5:5 !
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
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    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    All have sinned.

    Romans 3:23
    23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;


    Christ died for all.

    2 Corinthians 5:14-15
    14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
    15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.


    Christ said that all will die unless they repent.

    Luke 13:5
    5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
    Again 2 Cor 5:14-15 doesn't say a word about Christ dying for all sinners, furthermore I have created threads about who Christ died for specifically if you want to discuss that issue with me.
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    No I dont think theres a contradiction, I know it is if the sinners God loved in Rom 5:8 are the same sinners He hates in Ps 5:5 !
    What makes you think they are not the same?
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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Again 2 Cor 5:14-15 doesn't say a word about Christ dying for all sinners
    The verses say Christ died for all.
    Why do you refuse to believe what they say?
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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    What makes you think they are not the same?
    Its obvious, its common sense actually, and I already said why I believe they arent the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    The verses say Christ died for all.
    Why do you refuse to believe what they say?
    I believe what the verse says, but it doesnt say Christ died for all sinners !
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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    I believe what the verse says, but it doesnt say Christ died for all sinners !
    What is the problem?
    Do you believe Christ did not die for all?

    2 Corinthians 5:15
    15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.


    Or do you believe Christ did not die for sinners?

    Romans 5:8
    8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ask Mr. Religion View Post
    As plainly stated above, for believing parents, their infant children dying in infancy are members of the outward covenant grace, so believing parents have much reason to hope, yet not demand, that their infant who dies in infancy is in heaven.

    For non-believing parents, the situation is more dire, and the only "hope" they may cling to is that the Lord will do right. Then again, non-believers will never make that claim. Fortunately, one thing is certain: all elect infants dying in infancy are in heaven. Of this we can be certain.
    Evasion. Non responsive.

    Again-How does a Calvinist know that their "little ones" are not consigned to hell, i.e., that they are not one of "the elect?"



    Quote Originally Posted by Ask Mr. Religion View Post
    How do you know with infallible certainty an infant is elect? You don't.
    Evasion, adding words to my argument-"infallible certainty"


    That is slick.... real slick.

    Gee, AMR-none of us knew, until you filled us in, that none of us are infallible. Wow.


    No, the biblical definition of hope, is "confident expectation, which the LORD provides, via His book. Saved individuals receive their confident expectation, assurance, that they are saved, from the book, witnessed by the Holy Spirit of God. In contrast, Calvinists receive their alleged assurance from examining their works, their lifestyle, their Perseverance. Calvinism is just another warmed over version of Catholicism, Mormonism,.....=a works-based performance system, from the pits of hell.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ask Mr. Religion View Post
    As a parent, do what you ought to do: call upon the name of the Lord and be saved. Then cling to the promise of God's covenant you have entered as a believer which thereby incorporates outwardly your infant child, giving you proper warrant to hope your infant dying in infancy is heaven bound, while leaving the matter of the certain disposition of your infant child in God's hands.
    That is really good news(gospel), AMR. No, you Calvinists con artists-that is bad news.
    Saint John W

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