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    So am I to understand that there isn't going to be even one single attempt to make any response at all to post 1605?

    You have got to be kidding me!





    Please feel free to resume calling flat-earthers "retards" or any other pejorative you can think of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    the sun is never too far away to be seen with a telescope and YET the sun "sets".
    Zactly. Wouldn't even BE a sunset, or sunrise, on a flat plane. Yet it rises and sets all the same.

    But no explanation for that has been forthcoming in all the times it's been pointed out.

    I almost wonder why.

    Perhaps somewhere there's a meme that explains it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1Mind1Spirit View Post
    You do know we shoot em down before they get that high, right?
    We "can", but we don't

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    Our government couldn't keep a secret if it had to. They could never keep a secret like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    Zactly. Wouldn't even BE a sunset, or sunrise, on a flat plane. Yet it rises and sets all the same.

    But no explanation for that has been forthcoming in all the times it's been pointed out.

    I almost wonder why.

    Perhaps somewhere there's a meme that explains it.
    I've explained this so many times .... yet they make up the most ridiculous excuses.... even so far as to claim that WE are the ones that don't understand perspective. Sickening lies.
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    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
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    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    List of private spaceflight companies

    >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ight_companies

    I guess they are all part of the super secret society too, right? All the world's militaries, all the satellite companies, weather stations, pilots, private space launchers.... ....they must all know what you eggheads know, that the earth is flat, and tens of thousands of people are keeping the worlds best kept secret. Right?

    Oh, I forgot about regular pilots who have flown a round trip around the world. I guess God just scooped them up at the end and dropped them back off where they started, maybe did a little memory erase just to be safe, right? LOL

    Ya' dopes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    I've explained this so many times .... yet they make up the most ridiculous excuses.... even so far as to claim that WE are the ones that don't understand perspective. Sickening lies.
    Perspective??? What kind of buttpull answer was that they gave you? There is perspective on a globe -- over the curved horizon things disappear from view or come into view. On an allegedly flat plane, the horizon could not alternately reveal and hide the sun, and yet it does. Perspective would have NOTHING to do with it.

    Wasn't there some ancient pagan people who said the sun went down into the earth at night? That's at least a more reasonable if phenomenological explanation than saying "You just don't understand perspective."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clete View Post
    So am I to understand that there isn't going to be even one single attempt to make any response at all to post 1605?

    You have got to be kidding me!





    Please feel free to resume calling flat-earthers "retards" or any other pejorative you can think of.
    So you can shout that you understand the world and how it works better that FE believers? Did you account for the small size of the sun by chance? Remember, it's 32 to 62 miles wide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    So you can shout that you understand the world and how it works better that FE believers? Did you account for the small size of the sun by chance? Remember, it's 32 to 62 miles wide.
    The size of the object that is 3000 miles above the surface is not at all relevant to a single syllable of the argument.

    You ARE stupid!

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    Globetard. Ignore the scriptures and embrace and put your faith in science and math, that explains everything about the earth and cosmos, right Clete?

    Amos 8 - KJV -

    Thus hath the Lord God shewed unto me: and behold a basket of summer fruit.

    2 And he said, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A basket of summer fruit. Then said the Lord unto me, The end is come upon my people of Israel; I will not again pass by them any more.

    3 And the songs of the temple shall be howlings in that day, saith the Lord God: there shall be many dead bodies in every place; they shall cast them forth with silence.

    4 Hear this, O ye that swallow up the needy, even to make the poor of the land to fail,

    5 Saying, When will the new moon be gone, that we may sell corn? and the sabbath, that we may set forth wheat, making the ephah small, and the shekel great, and falsifying the balances by deceit?

    6 That we may buy the poor for silver, and the needy for a pair of shoes; yea, and sell the refuse of the wheat?

    7 The Lord hath sworn by the excellency of Jacob, Surely I will never forget any of their works.

    8 Shall not the land tremble for this, and every one mourn that dwelleth therein? and it shall rise up wholly as a flood; and it shall be cast out and drowned, as by the flood of Egypt.

    9 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord God, that I will cause the sun to go down at noon, and I will darken the earth in the clear day:

    10 And I will turn your feasts into mourning, and all your songs into lamentation; and I will bring up sackcloth upon all loins, and baldness upon every head; and I will make it as the mourning of an only son, and the end thereof as a bitter day.

    11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord:

    12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it.

    13 In that day shall the fair virgins and young men faint for thirst.

    14 They that swear by the sin of Samaria, and say, Thy god, O Dan, liveth; and, The manner of Beersheba liveth; even they shall fall, and never rise up again.

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    Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

    5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

    6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

    7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

    8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?

    9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,

    10 And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,

    11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?

    12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;

    13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?

    14 It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.

    15 And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.

    16 Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?

    17 Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?

    18 Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all.

    19 Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,

    20 That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof?

    21 Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great?

    22 Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,

    23 Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?

    24 By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?

    25 Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder;

    26 To cause it to rain on the earth, where no man is; on the wilderness, wherein there is no man;

    27 To satisfy the desolate and waste ground; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?

    28 Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of dew?

    29 Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it?

    30 The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.

    31 Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?

    32 Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?

    33 Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?

    34 Canst thou lift up thy voice to the clouds, that abundance of waters may cover thee?

    35 Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go and say unto thee, Here we are?
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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    So you can shout that you understand the world and how it works better that FE believers? Did you account for the small size of the sun by chance? Remember, it's 32 to 62 miles wide.
    Size of an object has little to no bearing on how far away it is. If the sun is 3000 miles above the earth, and only 1 degree above the horizon, it's going to be 1.72 million miles away, regardless of how big it is. However...

    There's this little thing call the vanishing point, where an object becomes so small that it cannot be seen. Even if the sun were 62 miles wide, at 1.7 million miles away (or whatever number Clete gave), the sun would NOT be visible because of it's, apparent size, let alone able to be directly overhead at any given point on earth.

    To give you an idea of EXACTLY how small a 62 mile wide sun would be 1.72 million miles away...

    It's size is only 0.00360465116279% of the distance that would be between us and it.

    That's 0.0036%!!! The angular resolution of the human naked eye is “about 1 arcminute, approximately 0.02° or 0.0003 radians, which corresponds to 0.3 m at a 1 km distance” (wikipedia). Doing the math, that's just under a foot (11 51/64 inches) at one mile away. To be able to see even a SPECK of something at 1.72 million miles away, the object would have to be AT LEAST 320.436 miles wide. The size of your sun (62 miles) is only 19.3486374814% of that. So your sun wouldn't even be visible.

    The numbers don't lie, PJ, your flat earth model falls apart when you try to do the math.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    Can anyone explain this reaction? Serious question. Is he laughing at the replies, or about the entire issue? This is the kind of stuff that makes it really hard to tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    Can anyone explain this reaction? Serious question. Is he laughing at the replies, or about the entire issue? This is the kind of stuff that makes it really hard to tell.
    I'm laughing at the 1.7 million miles, the math and JR and Clete. Yeah, I'm just acting, musty. Whatever it takes to discredit the truth of the earth and cosmos. It makes me wonder if you're just an act. A few of you do.

    What amazes me is that Clete has 40 different ways to prove the glob but nobody else did in the world but him. Don't you think SOMEBODY would have thought of and completed and published to the world the same things Clete is alleging?

    Nope, just believe Clete Math. Clete must be right but nobody else could do it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    I'm laughing at the 1.7 million miles, the math and JR and Clete. Yeah, I'm just acting, musty. Whatever it takes to discredit the truth of the earth and cosmos. It makes me wonder if you're just an act. A few of you do.

    What amazes me is that Clete has 40 different ways to prove the glob but nobody else did in the world but him. Don't you think SOMEBODY would have thought of and completed and published to the world the same things Clete is alleging?

    Nope, just believe Clete Math. Clete must be right but nobody else could do it.

    Then do the math yourself, PJ. Quit cowering behind the flat earth videos and do the damn math yourself. Check our work. Double check it, triple check it. If we're wrong, then it should be easy to show where we went wrong.

    But you won't. Why? Because you're a coward, afraid that something you've invested in too much just might turn out to be a lie, and PJ can't have that, now, can he?

    One more time, PJ. Your beliefs don't match reality. If they did, then please explain how the math we did based on YOUR MODEL shows a sun that is 1.72 million miles away and not even visible, yet in reality is quite visible to those on one half of the earth.

    We've done the math, check our work. And if it's wrong, then show us. Until you do so, you have literally no legs to stand on in this discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Then do the math yourself, PJ. Quit cowering behind the flat earth videos and do the damn math yourself. Check our work. Double check it, triple check it. If we're wrong, then it should be easy to show where we went wrong.

    But you won't. Why? Because you're a coward, afraid that something you've invested in too much just might turn out to be a lie, and PJ can't have that, now, can he?

    One more time, PJ. Your beliefs don't match reality. If they did, then please explain how the math we did based on YOUR MODEL shows a sun that is 1.72 million miles away and not even visible, yet in reality is quite visible to those on one half of the earth.

    We've done the math, check our work. And if it's wrong, then show us. Until you do so, you have literally no legs to stand on in this discussion.
    You're a brave man? Hah. Don't call me a coward unless you can prove a globe. It's only a 25,000 mile ball. Where's the curve? Screw your math. Why haven't other mathematicians shown what Clete Einstein thinks he has. Because you're both frauds and shills. Disinformation trolls and crybabies to boot. All you do is thank posts and copy what others say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    You're a brave man? Hah. Don't call me a coward unless you can prove a globe. It's only a 25,000 mile ball. Where's the curve? Screw your math. Why haven't other mathematicians shown what Clete Einstein thinks he has. Because you're both frauds and shills. Disinformation trolls and crybabies to boot. All you do is thank posts and copy what others say.
    Well we've certainly proven that the earth isn't flat according to your model using real photographs with detailed information provided.

    So unless you want to claim that the photos posted by @Knight and @Clete are fake, you need to show how the information provided does not result, in your model, in the sun being 1,720,000 miles away, smaller than the eye can see, and yet still quite above people in the middle of their day.

    Unless you can prove that the math Clete and I did is wrong (which is just simple multiplication and division), and show where we went wrong, then you're stuck with a theory that cannot be correct.

    Which results in the current model, the heliocentric model, which is accepted as the standard, being upheld as correct.

    See, PJ, the onus is on you to prove that the Globe earth is wrong. It's not our duty to prove that it's right.

    The onus falls on you to show that our math is wrong. If you refuse, then there is no longer any reason for @Knight not to boot you from this thread for refusing to engage in the discussion. If you cannot, then which is more likely, that our math is wrong, or that you're not capable of making an argument for an alternate theory?

    So yes, Patrick, I am going to call you a coward because you refuse to engage in discussion.

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