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    Quote Originally Posted by chair View Post
    Dave, when it comes to things scientific, you ARE ignorant. Yes, it is obvious. And no, no hidden cards will help you here.

    I think that the idea of velocity being relative spooks you, because it sounds like the Theory of Relativity, which you view as fake and evil and anti-Bible. But it is simple plain physical logic, and has been explained to you repeatedly by a number of people right here, over the past two days.
    My disagreement with much of science does not mean I'm ignorant of science.

    There is something anti-logical and anti-Biblical about relativism in physics and not only to me, and, although I wouldn't say this spooks me, but it is the reason for my skepticism.

    There's no such thing as "physical logic" as opposed to other types of logic.

    If you want to give me reasons to change my mind on this view of motion please do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Nope, sorry dave. The box is on a rocket ship flying through empty space.

    Care to actually answer the question this time, instead of dodging the question?
    It does not matter where the box is located. It still is the immovable point from which and on which the ants are moving and everything I've already said applies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DFT_Dave View Post
    My disagreement with much of science does not mean I'm ignorant of science.

    There is something anti-logical and anti-Biblical about relativism in physics and not only to me, and, although I wouldn't say this spooks me, but it is the reason for my skepticism.

    There's no such thing as "physical logic" as opposed to other types of logic.

    If you want to give me reasons to change my mind on this view of motion please do.

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    Nope... you're too stubborn to understand facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Nope... you're too stubborn to understand facts.
    Lucky for you you're not stubborn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DFT_Dave View Post
    Lucky for you you're not stubborn.

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    In this particular case, you're just blindly wrong and unwilling to be otherwise.

    Unlucky for you... not really, luck has nothing to do with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DFT_Dave View Post
    It does not matter where the box is located. It still is the immovable point from which and on which the ants are moving and everything I've already said applies.

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    Sorry, dave, but that box is, in fact, moving.

    The point I'm trying to make is that the point doesn't have to be immobile for it to be a reference point.

    Please answer my questions now:


    You're fixating on the earth, Dave.

    Forget the earth for a moment.

    Let's say you have a cardboard box, with two ants on top of it, and you somehow are able to control them, so you have them start in the center of the box, and have one go one direction, and the other ant go the opposite direction. They both go 5 ant-lengths per second.

    Dave: After 3 seconds, how far is each ant...

    From the starting point:_____________

    From each other:_____________

    What was each ant's speed in ant-lengths...

    Relative to the starting point on the box:_____________

    Relative to the other ant:_____________


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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Sorry, dave, but that box is, in fact, moving.

    The point I'm trying to make is that the point doesn't have to be immobile for it to be a reference point.
    Dave cannot seem to understand these simple concepts.

    Declaring something to be "the reference point" BY DEFINITION makes it "not moving".

    So simple and yet so beyond his reach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DFT_Dave View Post
    It does not matter where the box is located. It still is the immovable point from which and on which the ants are moving and everything I've already said applies.

    --Dave
    The box is an "immovable point" even if it is on a rocket flying through space? Think before you answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chair View Post
    The box is an "immovable point" even if it is on a rocket flying through space? Think before you answer.
    Until we can get Dave to understand the definition of a reference point, it's hopeless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Until we can get Dave to understand the definition of a reference point, it's hopeless.
    I just don't buy it.

    There is just no way that he doesn't understand. Something else is going on here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clete View Post
    I just don't buy it.

    There is just no way that he doesn't understand. Something else is going on here.
    I agree. He is not dumb- he just insists that reality is different than, well, reality. My guess is that he has a fixed (and wrong) conception of what the Bible says about reality, and is horribly afraid that if he admits, for example, that the earth moves, all his faith will go down the drain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chair View Post
    I agree. He is not dumb- he just insists that reality is different than, well, reality. My guess is that he has a fixed (and wrong) conception of what the Bible says about reality, and is horribly afraid that if he admits, for example, that the earth moves, all his faith will go down the drain.
    I don't know. Maybe.

    It feels more like deception to me. As if he has consciously decided in advance that he's going to disagree with and dispute anything anyone says on this thread no matter what it is or how much sense it makes.

    I mean how hard is it to understand something as simple as ants in a moving box are moving with the box? That shouldn't be anything that someone could dispute and yet he does.

    That doesn't feel like some sort of fearful loyalty to the bible. That sounds like, well, I don't know what it sounds like. I can relate neither to that level of stupiity if its real nor to that level of deception is it isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clete View Post
    I just don't buy it.

    There is just no way that he doesn't understand. Something else is going on here.
    I get that feeling as well.
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