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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post


    Sun and its illumination should never be completely out of sight anywhere on a flat plate.
    Lots of things should happen but don't. A dead man should stay dead but we know that that isn't true according to scripture. Not a great example but you get the gist of it/ What should happen doesn't always happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    Lots of things should happen but don't. A dead man should stay dead but we know that that isn't true according to scripture. Not a great example but you get the gist of it/ What should happen doesn't always happen.
    Using that logic you could say that nothing can be known. It's a very poor basis for an argument, not to mention a non-sequitur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    Thanks boss, is that the only reason? Looking at this image, I think where you placed the sun is about where it would be at those times we took the pictures. The sun is small, close and illuminates locally in the earth. I also don't mind at all if I'm wrong and will happily admit it when or if the time comes. The globe is only in your minds, you've never seen a real picture of a ball shape earth. None of you.

    Okay thank you.

    But you must know... I didn't place the sun on that map. That is an image you provided to me.

    Second... the sun couldn't be where it is on the map because if you remember it was west and slightly north to all of us. On that map image the sun appears to be west and south of all of us.

    Could you take a second whack at it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight View Post
    Okay thank you.

    But you must know... I didn't place the sun on that map. That is an image you provided to me.

    Second... the sun couldn't be where it is on the map because if you remember it was west and slightly north to all of us. On that map image the sun appears to be west and south of all of us.

    Could you take a second whack at it?
    Somewhere in that next section up, more near the 2nd thin line up from where the sun is now on the map.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight View Post
    When debating you will very rarely (if ever) get someone to say... "Hmmm I guess you are right and I am wrong". We should do that. But we don't.

    The good news is... when the person you are debating has to question the validity of math you know you have won! Why be mad when you are winning so good??
    It is human nature to get frustrated when one starts to lose. I think we are starting to see that here in this debate. Instead of debate, the discussion turns to personal attacks and questioning the math.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    Lots of things should happen but don't. A dead man should stay dead but we know that that isn't true according to scripture. Not a great example but you get the gist of it/ What should happen doesn't always happen.
    PJ just equated FE with the resurrection of Christ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    PJ just equated FE with the resurrection of Christ.
    Did I? Is He the only one in the Bible that came back after dying? Musty IS the disinformation agent I said he was. He proves it with his accusatory drivel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    Did I? Is He the only one in the Bible that came back after dying? Musty IS the disinformation agent I said he was. He proves it with his accusatory drivel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight View Post
    Okay thank you.

    But you must know... I didn't place the sun on that map. That is an image you provided to me.

    Second... the sun couldn't be where it is on the map because if you remember it was west and slightly north to all of us. On that map image the sun appears to be west and south of all of us.

    Could you take a second whack at it?
    It's nice the we used UCT time to take our photos because that allows us to know that it was 1:00am in Greenwich England when we were taking our first photos. We had one night were we started at 00:00 UCT but on this map that won't make much difference. 01:00 UCT puts midnight just to the west of Greenwich England and that means that Noon falls on a line opposite the North Pole. Assuming that East/West is supposed to follow the circular lines on the map, I've placed a new Sun where it would have to be in order to create the photos we took. I should point out that it really wouldn't create the photos we took but just going with the flow here...

    Flat Earth Map with names and arrows & theoretical position of Sun.jpg

    The Sun would be forced well North of, not only the Tropic of Cancer, but North of Denver Colorado! Making the sub-solar point somewhere off the coast of Russia.

    Clete

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    Can someone tell me how you guys get such large images to show up in your posts? Mine are always small and you have to click on them to get the full sized image. Send me a copy/paste of what you actually typed to create the post or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clete View Post
    It's nice the we used UCT time to take our photos because that allows us to know that it was 1:00am in Greenwich England when we were taking our first photos. We had one night were we started at 00:00 UCT but on this map that won't make much difference. 01:00 UCT puts midnight just to the west of Greenwich England and that means that Noon falls on a line opposite the North Pole. Assuming that East/West is supposed to follow the circular lines on the map, I've placed a new Sun where it would have to be in order to create the photos we took. I should point out that it really wouldn't create the photos we took but just going with the flow here...

    Flat Earth Map with names and arrows & theoretical position of Sun.jpg

    The Sun would be forced well North of, not only the Tropic of Cancer, but North of Denver Colorado! Making the sub-solar point somewhere off the coast of Russia.

    Clete

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    Can someone tell me how you guys get such large images to show up in your posts? Mine are always small and you have to click on them to get the full sized image. Send me a copy/paste of what you actually typed to create the post or something.
    I just enlarge the original by clicking on it and then I copy/paste the large image. That one is so big though but needed for this experiment.

    And btw, @Sherman - I'm not mad or "angry" and I will have no problem saying I'm wrong if that time ever comes in my lifetime. I don't even consider winning or losing. It's not a contest or even about debating style etc. It's about spreading the possibility of FE.

    I'm telling the truth about the earth from everything I can find available and I feel no shame, remorse, regret, ill will towards anyone, and I don't think I AM losing. It may appear that I'm losing and Dave is losing but we're winning by getting folks to think critically and examine BOTH sides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clete View Post
    I've placed a new Sun where it would have to be in order to create the photos we took. I should point out that it really wouldn't create the photos we took but just going with the flow here...

    Flat Earth Map with names and arrows & theoretical position of Sun.jpg

    The Sun would be forced well North of, not only the Tropic of Cancer, but North of Denver Colorado! Making the sub-solar point somewhere off the coast of Russia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clete View Post
    It's nice the we used UCT time to take our photos because that allows us to know that it was 1:00am in Greenwich England when we were taking our first photos. We had one night were we started at 00:00 UCT but on this map that won't make much difference. 01:00 UCT puts midnight just to the west of Greenwich England and that means that Noon falls on a line opposite the North Pole. Assuming that East/West is supposed to follow the circular lines on the map, I've placed a new Sun where it would have to be in order to create the photos we took. I should point out that it really wouldn't create the photos we took but just going with the flow here...

    Flat Earth Map with names and arrows & theoretical position of Sun.jpg

    The Sun would be forced well North of, not only the Tropic of Cancer, but North of Denver Colorado! Making the sub-solar point somewhere off the coast of Russia.

    Clete

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    Can someone tell me how you guys get such large images to show up in your posts? Mine are always small and you have to click on them to get the full sized image. Send me a copy/paste of what you actually typed to create the post or something.
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    Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) is the basis for civil time today. This 24-hour time standard is kept using highly precise atomic clocks combined with the Earth's rotation.
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    Patrick... how do you feel about Clete's placement?
    I think it's too far north and not close enough to the equator.

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