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    Trump gets retraining order to stop discussion of his sexual behavior

    Trump’s lawyer got a restraining order to prevent Stormy Daniels from speaking out

    Donald Trump’s attorney got a secret restraining order against adult film star Stormy Daniels last month to block her from speaking publicly about her alleged 2006 affair with Trump.

    The revelation came a day after Daniels (whose real name is Stephanie Clifford) filed a lawsuit against Trump, claiming that the October 2016 nondisclosure agreement — which paid Daniels $130,000 in exchange for her silence about her encounter with Trump — is void because Trump never signed it. The suit also claims that Trump’s attorney Michael Cohen “surreptitiously initiated a bogus arbitration proceeding” on February 27 to keep her quiet.

    It turns out that on February 27, Cohen won a temporary restraining order against Clifford from a private arbitrator to stop her from talking about the contents of the nondisclosure agreement, NBC News and the New York Times reported. Cohen also initiated arbitration proceedings with Daniels last week, saying she had violated the nondisclosure agreement.

    Daniels’s attorney, Michael Avenatti, told NBC News on Wednesday that Cohen hasn’t let up the pressure. “Earlier today, Mr. Cohen through his attorney, Mr. Rosen, further threatened my client in an effort to prevent her from telling the truth about what really happened,” he said. “We do not take kindly to these threats.”

    Cohen is trying to enforce the terms of the NDA — but Daniels’s lawsuit claims the deal is invalid. Her suit alleges that she and Trump entered into this agreement under pseudonyms: Daniels as “Peggy Peterson” and Trump as “David Dennison.” But the line where Dennison, a.k.a. Trump, was supposed to sign is blank

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Trump’s lawyer got a restraining order to prevent Stormy Daniels from speaking out

    Donald Trump’s attorney got a secret restraining order against adult film star Stormy Daniels last month to block her from speaking publicly about her alleged 2006 affair with Trump.

    The revelation came a day after Daniels (whose real name is Stephanie Clifford) filed a lawsuit against Trump, claiming that the October 2016 nondisclosure agreement — which paid Daniels $130,000 in exchange for her silence about her encounter with Trump — is void because Trump never signed it. The suit also claims that Trump’s attorney Michael Cohen “surreptitiously initiated a bogus arbitration proceeding” on February 27 to keep her quiet.


    If the agreement that she would be silent for cash was not signed (and therefore made null and void), then she can indeed forfeit her silence, but would also have to forfeit the cash paid to her as it would also be included in the null and void unsigned agreement.

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    Not to mention that we have several here, like AB, that do NOT want folks that have sex with people other than their married spouse to be punished at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    If the agreement that she would be silent for cash was not signed (and therefore made null and void), then she can indeed forfeit her silence, but would also have to forfeit the cash paid to her as it would also be included in the null and void unsigned agreement.
    Trump actually never paid her anything. His lawyer was dumb enough to front the money, and now Trump won't pay him back. So if she owes anyone for the hush money, it's the lawyer. But it's not clear that she needs to give it back. Trump will have to go to court to settle that, and I'm guessing that like his fraud charges, he'll settle out of court.

    Not to mention that we have several here, like AB, that do NOT want folks that have sex with people other than their married spouse to be punished at all.
    If two adults want to sin against God, without involving others, then it's between them and God. You're saying you want Trump punished for his repeated adulteries? Or is it O.K. to do that if it hurts someone else?

    Want to explain that? Or what punishment do you think Trump should get for his behavior?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Trump actually never paid her anything. His lawyer was dumb enough to front the money, and now Trump won't pay him back. So if she owes anyone for the hush money, it's the lawyer. But it's not clear that she needs to give it back. Trump will have to go to court to settle that, and I'm guessing that like his fraud charges, he'll settle out of court.
    Doesn't matter which individual actually handed her the money if the agreement was that she would be silent for cash.
    She accepted the cash in the agreement.
    If she decides to keep the cash then the agreement of keeping silent must be met to keep that cash.

    If the agreement is null and void because there was no signature, then the WHOLE agreement is null and void, and that would include the cash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    If two adults want to sin against God, without involving others, then it's between them and God.
    If their conduct is only a private matter between them and GOD, then why are you butting in and getting involved about it?


    You're saying you want Trump punished for his repeated adulteries? Or is it O.K. to do that if it hurts someone else?

    Want to explain that? Or what punishment do you think Trump should get for his behavior?
    I'm all for making adultery a legal crime of the law.
    At the moment it is not, so there is no legal recourse available.
    How about you?
    Want to change the law so that the sexual misconduct of adultery is a crime, or just let is slide with no legal recourse at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    If two adults want to sin against God, without involving others, then it's between them and God.
    Twasn't always the case.
    [Deu 22:22 KJV] If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, [both] the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.

    And the purpose in executing them both was to "put away evil from Israel", because it was a problem for the whole of the people that those two were committing adultery.

    Other people's sin affected everybody, like here:
    [Lev 20:22 NKJV] 'You shall therefore keep all My statutes and all My judgments, and perform them, that the land where I am bringing you to dwell may not vomit you out.
    [Lev 20:23 NKJV] 'And you shall not walk in the statutes of the nation which I am casting out before you; for they commit all these things, and therefore I abhor them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Not to mention that we have several here, like AB, that do NOT want folks that have sex with people other than their married spouse to be punished at all.
    Yes Tam, that's cos I don't want the West to become some sort of police or theocratic state, the likes of which you seem to advocate. I'm not a religious zealot Tam and if people want to cohabit, have sexual relations outside of wedlock (which btw, doesn't equate to cheating on someone) then that's part of the freedom of living in the West and as it should be.
    Well this is fun isn't it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    Yes Tam, that's cos I don't want the West to become some sort of police or theocratic state, the likes of which you seem to advocate. I'm not a religious zealot Tam and if people want to cohabit, have sexual relations outside of wedlock (which btw, doesn't equate to cheating on someone) then that's part of the freedom of living in the West and as it should be.
    Spoken like a "True Athiest" with absolutely NO discernment of right and wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    If their conduct is only a private matter between them and GOD, then why are you butting in and getting involved about it?



    I'm all for making adultery a legal crime of the law.
    At the moment it is not, so there is no legal recourse available.
    How about you?
    Want to change the law so that the sexual misconduct of adultery is a crime, or just let is slide with no legal recourse at all?
    Old Barb just desires (with all his black heart) to see the President removed from office. The means by which are unimportant to the Liberal hater. They're looking for any reason to "destroy Donald Trump."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grosnick Marowbe View Post
    Spoken like a "True Athiest" with absolutely NO discernment of right and wrong.
    Funny that, considering I'm not one and if you wanna live in some zealot state then bog off to Uganda or somewhere and leave the West out of it.
    Well this is fun isn't it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    Yes Tam, that's cos I don't want the West to become some sort of police or theocratic state, the likes of which you seem to advocate. I'm not a religious zealot Tam and if people want to cohabit, have sexual relations outside of wedlock (which btw, doesn't equate to cheating on someone) then that's part of the freedom of living in the West and as it should be.
    Then lay off of Trump for having an affair with a porn star, and everyone else that has an affair with others besides their spouse if that's they way you want things to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Doesn't matter which individual actually handed her the money if the agreement was that she would be silent for cash.
    She accepted the cash in the agreement.
    If she decides to keep the cash then the agreement of keeping silent must be met to keep that cash.

    If the agreement is null and void because there was no signature, then the WHOLE agreement is null and void, and that would include the cash.
    Refresh me, what year did this supposed "Indiscretion" occur?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Then lay off of Trump for having an affair with a porn star, and everyone else that has an affair with others besides their spouse if that's they way you want things to be.
    You're the one who has the zealous standards in play so it's fair game Tam. I'm more interested in Trump being investigated for the multiple allegations of assault than his likely affair with Clifford.
    Well this is fun isn't it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Grosnick Marowbe View Post
    Old Barb just desires (with all his black heart) to see the President removed from office. The means by which are unimportant to the Liberal hater. They're looking for any reason to "destroy Donald Trump."
    It is quite apparent that they want to berate Trump for things they do not berate others about.

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