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    Quote Originally Posted by Grosnick Marowbe View Post
    Christ was preaching the 'Kingdom Gospel' to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
    Paul preached the kingdom gospel to the Gentiles.

    Acts 28:31
    31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

    Learn to read what is written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grosnick Marowbe View Post
    Yet, you folks seem to think you must continue to do good works in order to keep yourselves saved?
    You folk seem to think Jesus does not care that you continue to produce rotten fruit.
    Learn to read what is written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    You folk seem to think Jesus does not care that you continue to produce rotten fruit.
    That's not what he said.
    "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
    Terence Mc Lean

    [most will be very surprised]


    Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
    By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    That's not what he said.
    To believe OSAS, you have believe Jesus does not care that you continue to produce rotten fruit.
    Learn to read what is written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    To believe OSAS, you have believe Jesus does not care that you continue to produce rotten fruit.
    well said
    If you want to be true to God and Jesus, abandon any kind of violence at all cost. By advocating any kind of violence, you are misrepresenting Christianity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    To believe OSAS, you have believe Jesus does not care that you continue to produce rotten fruit.
    1. False. Anyone who says that has no concept of what either justification nor sanctification in Christ means and does.

    2. Please cite the apostle Paul telling believers about fruit and how it's produced.

    I'll wait.
    "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
    Terence Mc Lean

    [most will be very surprised]


    Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
    By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    Yes, earnest money is given to show an intention to pursue a deal that can be cancelled by either party.


    No, I am saying that God allows you to cancel the deal before it has been finalized.
    No, if I put earnest money down on a house, and I change my mind, I lose that earnest money. God won't change His mind. When He gives His earnest of the Spirit, you can take it to the bank.


    In this case, it's God Almighty who gives us the earnest of the Holy Spirit. Are you telling me that God is not good for the earnest He's given?

    That He would give His personal guarantee that He would make sure the deal came to fruition. Especially since it is that Spirit that performs the work in us.

    Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

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    Once again we see a false believer with a very big personal stake in no one else being sure of their eternal salvation.

    "If I can't have it, neither can anyone else!"
    "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
    Terence Mc Lean

    [most will be very surprised]


    Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
    By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    To believe OSAS, you have believe Jesus does not care that you continue to produce rotten fruit.
    What rotten fruit is that?

    Did you forget about the earnest of the Spirit that was given to believers?
    Surely you aren't considering His fruit rotten, are you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    1. False. Anyone who says that has no concept of what either justification nor sanctification in Christ means and does.

    2. Please cite the apostle Paul telling believers about fruit and how it's produced.

    I'll wait.
    Here is what Jesus said:

    Matthew 13:18-23
    18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.
    19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
    20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;
    21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.
    22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.
    23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.


    OSAS teaches that 3 responses of the 4 will be saved, but Jesus teaches that only 1 of the 4 will be saved.

    Do you think Paul contradicted Jesus?
    Learn to read what is written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    Here is what Jesus said:

    Matthew 13:18-23
    18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.
    19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
    20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;
    21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.
    22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.
    23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.


    OSAS teaches that 3 responses of the 4 will be saved, but Jesus teaches that only 1 of the 4 will be saved.

    Do you think Paul contradicted Jesus?
    There are NO contradictions in the Bible. The problem begins with, people who do not know how to Rightly Divide the Scriptures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    1. False. Anyone who says that has no concept of what either justification nor sanctification in Christ means and does.

    2. Please cite the apostle Paul telling believers about fruit and how it's produced.

    I'll wait.
    You guys are deeply deceived.

    The NT is full of verses about producing fruit.

    Is that what MADs believe, skipping all inconvenient verses?
    If you want to be true to God and Jesus, abandon any kind of violence at all cost. By advocating any kind of violence, you are misrepresenting Christianity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    Here is what Jesus said:

    Matthew 13:18-23
    18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.
    19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
    20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;
    21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.
    22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.
    23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.


    OSAS teaches that 3 responses of the 4 will be saved, but Jesus teaches that only 1 of the 4 will be saved.

    Do you think Paul contradicted Jesus?
    That's speaking of those who hear the word of God...not those who are saved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    What rotten fruit is that?

    Did you forget about the earnest of the Spirit that was given to believers?
    Surely you aren't considering His fruit rotten, are you?
    G.O. just doesn't understand certain things pertaining to the Scriptures. I highly doubt he'll admit to that, though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    1. False. Anyone who says that has no concept of what either justification nor sanctification in Christ means and does.

    2. Please cite the apostle Paul telling believers about fruit and how it's produced.

    I'll wait.

    here are the verses about producing fruit.

    Matthew 3:10
    The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.

    Matthew 21:43
    “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.


    Luke 3:8
    Produce fruit in keeping with repentance. .

    Luke 3:9
    The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.”
    If you want to be true to God and Jesus, abandon any kind of violence at all cost. By advocating any kind of violence, you are misrepresenting Christianity.

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