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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Believing is a Work ! That passage doesn't say otherwise !
    Umm... if the verse says we have been saved by grace through faith (and it does), and that we were not saved by works (and it does), then it follows that faith is not a work. Those are positive and negative statements (+ = Saved through faith; - = not saved through works). You can't say both, "You are saved through faith" and "you are not saved by works" if you believe that faith is a work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkarding View Post
    Umm... if the verse says we have been saved by grace through faith (and it does), and that we were not saved by works (and it does), then it follows that faith is not a work. Those are positive and negative statements (+ = Saved through faith; - = not saved through works). You can't say both, "You are saved through faith" and "you are not saved by works" if you believe that faith is a work.
    That verse doesn't say believing isn't a work. Believing is a action man does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    That verse doesn't say believing isn't a work. Believing is a action man does.
    Do you believe in faith plus works for salvation?
    He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    That verse doesn't say believing isn't a work. Believing is a action man does.
    That's exactly what the verse says! If we use the language Scripture uses, as I explained above. In the sense of Ephesians 2:8-9, believing cannot be a work, or that passage is nonsense! Believing is indeed something man does, but it cannot be a work as far as something we can boast about.

    Indeed, verse 9 makes clear that believing is a "gift"! So yes, it is something we do, but we only believe because God gives us faith.

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    That's exactly what the verse says!
    No it doesnt !

    Believing is indeed something man does,
    Thats what makes it a work Duh
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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
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    No it doesnt !



    Thats what makes it a work Duh
    You still try to negate Ephesians 2:8-9. If you believe Scripture faith is not a work'

    Ephesians 2:8-9 English Standard Version (ESV)
    8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

    Rethink your theology and believe the Scriptures.
    He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bkarding View Post
    Believing is indeed something man does
    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Thats what makes it a work Duh

    That's an amazing piece of stupidity you've just handed out. You're saying that to do is always to work. Paul, in Romans 9:10-11 KJV, wrote:

    10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;

    11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
    What work(s) do you want to claim Jacob and Esau were doing, in utero? And yet, the children were, indeed doing something: they were being not yet born. And, according to Moses, in Genesis 25:22, they were "struggl[ing] together within [Rebecca]."

    Try to tell us exactly from which passage(s) of Scripture you imagine you have gotten your idea that to DO SOMETHING is always to WORK.

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