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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    If the law has been abolished why do you keep beating a dead horse?

    It has not been abolished for unbelievers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Gods Law hasnt been abolished by Christ, but fulfilled by Him. Whats been abolished are al the sins of Gods elect against Gods law, they were blotted out at the Cross Col 2:13-14

    13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;


    14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

    All of the trespasses of the elect, which had been charged to Christ, have been blotted out, taken out of the way, being nailed to His Cross.

    But the Law itself is still in force, it condemns and curses the goats Matt 25:41

    41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
    I've been showing him the underlined, for weeks, but he is under the control of satan, denying it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by john w View Post
    I've been showing him that, for weeks, but he is under the control of satan, denying it.
    Nice to see you agree with TOL's biggest heretic. You have a lot in common.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    Are you aware that God's law demands perfection and anything less than perfection is sin?
    Yes. But sin is defined in and by God's Law, which Jesus taught. It is not simply a matter of using the word perfection or saying you cannot measure up to Jesus' perfect standard for living, His law, God's law in the New Covenant, the Law of Moses, or God's Word in its entirety. The law of Christ is not a substitute for the Law of Moses, God's Law, or even if you were to say New Covenant law (yet no commandment has been abolished and I do not see any commandment added). Such that, does Jesus have a law different from the Law of Moses? The law of Christ agrees with the Law of Moses that Jesus taught, in that we should love our neighbor each one of us as our own self. God's law written on minds and hearts in the New Covenant does not imply a different law from the Law of Moses. Still according to Hebrews with a change of the priesthood there has been a change of the law. Not that the Law has been changed, certainly (correct). By what standard is the sinner judged? God's Law. Do you know of a higher standard than the one you have described?

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    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    In beginning He created God the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    It has not been abolished for unbelievers.
    Now he is changing his "argument," corrupting the meaning, butchering the meaning, of "abolish."

    No such thing as "Abolished for some....not abolished for others," as that is akin to "This person is physically dead sometimes, and physically alive other times."


    Are the feasts part of the law, Pate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Yes. But sin is defined in and by God's Law, which Jesus taught. It is not simply a matter of using the word perfection or saying you cannot measure up to Jesus' perfect standard for living, His law, God's law in the New Covenant, the Law of Moses, or God's Word in its entirety. The law of Christ is not a substitute for the Law of Moses, God's Law, or even if you were to say New Covenant law (yet no commandment has been abolished and I do not see any commandment added). Such that, does Jesus have a law different from the Law of Moses? The law of Christ agrees with the Law of Moses that Jesus taught, in that we should love our neighbor each one of us as our own self. God's law written on minds and hearts in the New Covenant does not imply a different law from the Law of Moses. Still according to Hebrews with a change of the priesthood there has been a change of the law. Not that the Law has been changed, certainly (correct). By what standard is the sinner judged? God's Law. Do you know of a higher standard than the one you have described?

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    If you loved your neighbor as yourself you would sell all that you have and give it to the poor.

    I think that your righteousness is going to fall short of the glory of God, Romans 3:23.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    Nice to see you agree with TOL's biggest heretic. You have a lot in common.
    Are the feasts part of the law, Pate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    If you loved your neighbor as yourself you would sell all that you have and give it to the poor.

    I think that your righteousness is going to fall short of the glory of God, Romans 3:23.
    I have taught what you said here. What I have is for me to live by and for ministry.

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    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

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    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    In beginning He created God the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by john w View Post
    Now he is changing his "argument," corrupting the meaning, butchering the meaning, of "abolish."


    Are the feasts part of the law, Pate?
    I have changed nothing. Anything in the Bible that tells us to do something or not to do something is law. If the Bible tells us to do the feast, its law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    I have taught what you said here. What I have is for me to live by and for ministry.

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    You and the rich young ruler have a lot in common. You are both hypocrites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    You and the rich young ruler have a lot in common. You are both hypocrites.
    Incorrect.

    Do you own the computer from which you make your posts?

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    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

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    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    In beginning He created God the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by john w View Post
    Are the feasts part of the law, Pate?
    Only if the law says that you must attend them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Incorrect.

    Do you own the computer from which you make your posts?

    Shalom.

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    The rich young ruler would not sell all that he had and give it to the poor. Just like you he failed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    The rich young ruler would not sell all that he had and give it to the poor. Just like you he failed.
    john w asked me to do so
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
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    In beginning He created God the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    john w asked me to do so
    The law will not make you righteous.

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