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    Quote Originally Posted by iouae View Post
    Yes, together with this.

    Heb 9:27
    And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
    It is telling that Martha believed this:

    “24 Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”

    She sounds like Paul...lol

    Nothing there about already hanging out with Abraham at his bosom...

    Or a soul spirit in heaven having to come back to get his body...

    She believed he would rise complete at the resurrection at the last day...

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post

    Having a desire to be with Him at the time...is at the resurrection...not to die and float about...oh wait Paul being killed would NOT be floating about...he be stuck under the altar crying for vengnce “HOW LONG!”
    so you admit Paul has a spirit that exist apart from his body

    Rev 6:9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    not at all....happily he wasn’t teaching on the afterlife...but you wish He were...

    BTW...the answer is NO spirits do NOT have tongues that can be cooled with water...
    Jesus is teaching the rich man died and was buried
    and the rich man called out from the flames, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me

    existence of the spirit after death



    Awww that’s too bad it’s not included...maybe there is where your evidence would be...naw doubt it...as if the church would hide convincing evidence in scripture to its hell and its afterlife...lol
    my evidence is found here from Jesus himself

    Luk 16:22 The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried,
    Luk 16:23 and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side.
    Luk 16:24 And he called out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.’

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    Quote Originally Posted by iouae View Post
    Clefty, you are doing a great terrible job.
    fixed it for ya

    It should be enough to say that death is the opposite of life, and that when we die, we are er. dead.

    We believe that for every cat, mouse and pot plant - that it has no afterlife - but for ourselves - we emphatically believe in an immortal portion.

    Sorry, cat, mouse, pot plant, human, neither has an immortal bit. Once dead, we are like Rover, dead all over, awaiting the GIFT of life, which Christ brings with Him.

    you are a humanist \ evolutionist so you don't understand the bible

    God gave us a spirit

    Gen 2:7 then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.


    Rev 6:9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne.


    soulsG5590

    ψυχή
    psuchē
    psoo-khay'
    From G5594; breath, that is, (by implication) spirit,


    God gave us a spirit that continues on after death

    Luk 16:22 The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried,
    Luk 16:23 and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side.
    Luk 16:24 And he called out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me

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    Quote Originally Posted by iouae View Post
    Yes, together with this.

    Heb 9:27
    And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
    you do not understand the bible,there is physical death & there is also spiritual death .


    Luk 9:60 And Jesus said to him, “Leave the dead to bury their own dead. But as for you, go and proclaim the kingdom of God.”

    Rom 7:9 I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin came alive and I died.


    Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, the small and the great, stand before God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post

    Poor soul....in love with his body of flesh.
    2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
    we have scoffers who can't worship God .


    Joh 4:24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by way 2 go View Post
    we have scoffers who can't worship God .


    Joh 4:24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”
    True. And, as we see here, John left his body in prison, while the Lord took him in spirit to heaven's door to bear witness of what was there. And there are the 24 elders worshiping the One who sat on the throne.

    Revelation 4:1-2 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. 2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

    Revelation 4:10-11 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, 11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

    The scoffers don't believe in spiritual beings, I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    True. And, as we see here, John left his body in prison, while the Lord took him in spirit to heaven's door to bear witness of what was there. And there are the 24 elders worshiping the One who sat on the throne.
    Revelation 4:1-2 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. 2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
    Revelation 4:10-11 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, 11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

    The scoffers don't believe in spiritual beings, I guess.
    great verses

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    Quote Originally Posted by way 2 go View Post
    so you admit Paul has a spirit that exist apart from his body

    Rev 6:9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne.
    No I dont admit...Paul in your theory of spiritville would be stuck under the altar...something he did NOT teach

    Was being sarcastic and you are being desperately eager...

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    Quote Originally Posted by way 2 go View Post
    Jesus is teaching the rich man died and was buried
    and the rich man called out from the flames, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me

    existence of the spirit after death
    spirits burn? Have tongues? Speak to those not fallen far off above the roar of flames and tormented cries of other spirits?

    What is taught is the ironic inversion of the first last and the last first by way of a popular folk tale He used...

    How did the rich man know it was Abraham? Name tags? Name and number Jersey? Security ID?


    my evidence is found here from Jesus himself

    Luk 16:22 The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried,
    Luk 16:23 and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side.
    Luk 16:24 And he called out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.’
    Who when His actual friend Lazarus died did NOT say he is at Abraham’s bosom but He said Lazarus sleeps...

    Spirits have physical forms much less tongues...LOL...capable of being able to be cooled by drop of water...

    Not matter how often you repeat the lie...it is NOT a documentary on the afterlife but a parable to teach and illustrate a seperate matter...

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    Quote Originally Posted by way 2 go View Post
    fixed it for ya




    you are a humanist \ evolutionist so you don't understand the bible

    God gave us a spirit

    Gen 2:7 then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.


    Rev 6:9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne.


    soulsG5590

    ψυχή
    psuchē
    psoo-khay'
    From G5594; breath, that is, (by implication) spirit,


    God gave us a spirit that continues on after death

    Luk 16:22 The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried,
    Luk 16:23 and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side.
    Luk 16:24 And he called out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me
    Revelations also NOT A DOCUMENTARY but vision...no matter how often you repeat the same LIE

    Man was NOT created immortal but it was necessary he eat from the tree of life...

    Is why he was denied access to it so that he NOT live forever after he disobeyed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by way 2 go View Post
    you do not understand the bible,there is physical death & there is also spiritual death .


    Luk 9:60 And Jesus said to him, “Leave the dead to bury their own dead. But as for you, go and proclaim the kingdom of God.”

    Rom 7:9 I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin came alive and I died.


    Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, the small and the great, stand before God.
    None of this has anything to do with spirits floating about (or stuck under the altar conscious of nothing but vengeance for how they died) after the first physical death...before His return...that great day of the Lord...

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    Quote Originally Posted by way 2 go View Post
    we have scoffers who can't worship God .


    Joh 4:24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”
    So you cant worship until you are dead in spiritville?

    Happily and gratefully the living have spirits too and worship in spirit and truth...

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    True. And, as we see here, John left his body in prison, while the Lord took him in spirit to heaven's door to bear witness of what was there. And there are the 24 elders worshiping the One who sat on the throne.

    Revelation 4:1-2 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. 2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

    Revelation 4:10-11 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, 11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
    John wasn’t killed to have this vision...

    The scoffers don't believe in spiritual beings, I guess.
    Actually just not spirits who were first and only flesh...that became spirits because they were dead

    The prohibition to spirit talking (something pagans believe in) is the same as for idols...NOT prohibited because the idols are REAL or the gods they represent are actual...but because idols are false not real...dont exist except in the excited imaginations of the disobedient unbeliever

    Same with spirits...they are not real but false...dont exist except in the excited imaginations of the disobedient...unbeliever

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    Quote Originally Posted by way 2 go View Post
    fixed it for ya
    you are doing a great terrible job.

    Fixed it back.


    you are a humanist \ evolutionist so you don't understand the bible
    And you are late to this thread. Clefty and I are neither.

    God gave us a spirit
    ruach/pneuma = breath = O2

    Gen 2:7 then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.
    Nothing but O2/air here. Move on.

    Rev 6:9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne.
    Yes they were all squashed under one altar, crying out for revenge, all thousands of them. Sounds more like hell than heaven, right? Why? Because it is a metaphor, as in Abel's blood crying out from the ground for revenge, not literal.

    soulsG5590

    ψυχή
    psuchē
    psoo-khay'
    From G5594; breath, that is, (by implication) spirit,
    And the very first place where "soul" is used, it is used of animals, and they BECAME one, did not have one, just as Adam BECAME a living soul/being, did not have one. The "psuche" he has is air/breath which animates material beings.


    God gave us a spirit that continues on after death
    Are you just reminding yourself here, that this is what the whole debate is about?

    Luk 16:22 The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried,
    Luk 16:23 and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side.
    Luk 16:24 And he called out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me
    Probably parable, or the day of judgment, where rich man is resurrected to see the lake of fire/lava flow approaching and is about to be burnt UP, not burnt forever.
    Stop the culling of Cape Town's baboons!

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