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    @Stripe, the message appears to be that hospitals' use of brain death assessments to make judgements about withdrawal of life support is risky and wrong.

    If that is the message, then the page is severely misrepresenting the stories. If that is not the message, then the page is incompetent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gcthomas View Post
    @Stripe, the message appears to be that hospitals' use of brain death assessments to make judgements about withdrawal of life support is risky and wrong. If that is the message, then the page is severely misrepresenting the stories. If that is not the message, then the page is incompetent.
    The stories say the patient was adjudicated "brain dead."

    How does the site misrepresent the stories?

    How is the site incompetent if you can't understand its intentions?

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    Meanwhile, you still didn't answer:

    The doctors were going to switch off the life support of a patient you assert was not brain dead. That's OK with you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    The stories say the patient was adjudicated "brain dead."

    How does the site misrepresent the stories??
    As I have already said, 'brain dead' wasn't part of the story. Of course, if you are going to quote the Daily Mail on anything at all, you have to do some due diligence, since they openly and routinely make up details to make everything more sellable.

    In short the Daily Mail's page does not represent the actual story very closely. It says the person was both "in a coma" and "brain dead". So which was it? It can't be both. Sort of ruins the credibility of the site, doesn't it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    Meanwhile, you still didn't answer:

    The doctors were going to switch off the life support of a patient you assert was not brain dead. That's OK with you?
    Given the Daily Mail article has fundamental contradictions in it, as I answered before, neither of us can be remotely sure of the actual situation. If you can find another source that can be trusted, then go ahead. But since most of the tall tales on the Kov page are from the Daily Mail or similar rags, then I suspect that you can't do even that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gcthomas View Post
    As I have already said, 'brain dead' wasn't part of the story. Of course, if you are going to quote the Daily Mail on anything at all, you have to do some due diligence, since they openly and routinely make up details to make everything more sellable.
    The stories did say she was brain dead.

    Sam Hemming suffered devastating head injuries when the car she was travelling in with her boyfriend flipped over on the M6 - leaving her brain dead and with 'no hope of recovery'.

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    How did the site misrepresent them?

    In short the Daily Mail's page does not represent the actual story very closely. It says the person was both "in a coma" and "brain dead". So which was it? It can't be both. Sort of ruins the credibility of the site, doesn't it?
    So now it does say she was brain dead?

    Given the Daily Mail article has fundamental contradictions in it, as I answered before, neither of us can be remotely sure of the actual situation. If you can find another source that can be trusted, then go ahead. But since most of the tall tales on the Kov page are from the Daily Mail or similar rags, then I suspect that you can't do even that.


    Again, the question:

    You assert that this girl was not brain dead, yet the doctors were going to switch off her life support. Are you OK with that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    The stories did say she was brain dead.

    Sam Hemming suffered devastating head injuries when the car she was travelling in with her boyfriend flipped over on the M6 - leaving her brain dead and with 'no hope of recovery'.

    source


    How did the site misrepresent them?

    So now it does say she was brain dead?
    One real story, multiple sensationalist reports of the story that repeat errors.

    The tabloid newspaper with a legal history of fabricating entire stories and making up facts says she was brain dead. But the local newspaper, the one that acutally was there and reporting, doesn't mention either brain death or the accidental nature of toe incident. It seems that foot-stroking is a standard part of the procedure for testing responsiveness, and successfully detected that the girl wasn't brain dead. Whoopee for medical science, another success story.

    (Didn't you think it was strange that the toe was touched accidentally, in the Daily Mail version of events? What sort of hospital has coma patients in a bed with their bare foot exposed from under the covers? The touching of the toe must have have been part of a testing plan, don't you think?


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    Again, the question:

    You assert that this girl was not brain dead, yet the doctors were going to switch off her life support. Are you OK with that?
    Already answered twice — please try to read. Unless you can find a better source for the story (it is easy - would you like me to show you how to use Google News search?), one without critical contradictions, then you'll have to put up with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gcthomas View Post
    One real story, multiple sensationalist reports of the story that repeat errors. The tabloid newspaper with a legal history of fabricating entire stories and making up facts says she was brain dead. But the local newspaper, the one that acutally was there and reporting, doesn't mention either brain death or the accidental nature of toe incident. It seems that foot-stroking is a standard part of the procedure for testing responsiveness, and successfully detected that the girl wasn't brain dead. Whoopee for medical science, another success story. (Didn't you think it was strange that the toe was touched accidentally, in the Daily Mail version of events? What sort of hospital has coma patients in a bed with their bare foot exposed from under the covers? The touching of the toe must have have been part of a testing plan, don't you think? Already answered twice — please try to read. Unless you can find a better source for the story (it is easy - would you like me to show you how to use Google News search?), one without critical contradictions, then you'll have to put up with it.
    I read other sources, as I said.

    That's good to know about the toe-moving test. That clears that up for me.
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