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    Quote Originally Posted by john w View Post
    More evasion-I did not ask if those were your words. I asked: Did Judas preach, in your definition of "the Gospel," in your words.....

    "Jesus in our name and on our behalf has offered to God the Father a life of perfect obedience according to his Holy Law, and then atoned for our sins and the sins of the whole world, and that it is because of the doing and the dying of Jesus that we can now stand before God's Holy Court as Justified?".


    Yes, or no.
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    Did Judas preach this "the Gospel" you defined above?


    Simple question.
    No, Judas hung himself. The only Gospel that the disciples preached before Pentecost was the Kingdom Gospel, which was the good news that the King had arrived.

    They did not preach the Gospel that justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18,19, until after Pentecost.

    You have an abusive spirit that is not becoming to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    No, Judas hung himself. The only Gospel that the disciples preached before Pentecost was the Kingdom Gospel, which was the good news that the King had arrived.

    They did not preach the Gospel that justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18,19, until after Pentecost.

    You have an abusive spirit that is not becoming to you.
    So, you agree, that "the gospel of the kingdom," is not equivalent to the Gospel that justifies the ungodly-1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV, and thus, if we are rational, reasonable (Isaiah 1:18 KJV) people, there is more than 1 piece of good news/gospel, in the book-the context tells us what good news/gospel is in view. Thus, Judas preached "the gospel of the kingdom," the good news of the coming kingdom, but not the gospel of 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV, per..............

    Matthew 10 KJV

    1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples(including Judas-my note), he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.

    2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;

    3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;

    4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.

    5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

    6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

    7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

    8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.


    Luke 9 KJV
    1 Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases.

    2 And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.


    3 And he said unto them, Take nothing for your journey, neither staves, nor scrip, neither bread, neither money; neither have two coats apiece.

    4 And whatsoever house ye enter into, there abide, and thence depart.

    5 And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them.

    6 And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    The word "Gospel" means good news. The good news is that Jesus in our name and on our behalf has offered to God the Father a life of perfect obedience according to his Holy Law, and then atoned for our sins and the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2.

    It is because of the doing and the dying of Jesus that we can now stand before God's Holy Court as Justified. That is the good news.
    The very fact that Christ "died for our sins" was a mystery until given by revelation of Jesus Christ to and through Paul and Paul tells us why. There's no scriptural doubt about it. Why did you just ignore what saith the scripture concerning the gospel of YOUR salvation and it being mystery? You didn't hear that "Christ died for our sins" from John! You got it from Paul if you preach it at all. And FYE-John is an apostle TO Israel, not TO us. What John puts forth is written in a tribulation sense looking forward to the blotting out of sins, just as Peter would preach. Neither of them had anything to do with us or the good news of our salvation!
    2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    Paul defines the word of truth as the gospel of your salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, Ephesians 1:13 KJV). Now, study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed by rightly dividing it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    1 Corinthians 15:1-4 does not really tell us what the Gospel is.
    Don't be silly. Paul declares it as the very gospel he preached, "by which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved,..." And goes on to tell us the WHY of the CROSS: "how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures (1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV).

    It most certainly tells us WHAT is the good news of our salvation! Now, preach it as what it is, the power of God (1 Corinthians 1:21 KJV) that others can be saved when they hear the Lord after hearing and believing it (Ephesians 1:13-14 KJV)!
    2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    Paul defines the word of truth as the gospel of your salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, Ephesians 1:13 KJV). Now, study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed by rightly dividing it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    1 Corinthians 15:1-4 does not really tell us what the Gospel is.

    The Gospel is that work that Jesus did in our name and on our behalf that justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.
    You're right about 1 Cor. 15: 1-4.

    For it is merely a referencw to all that Paul had actually preached when preaching the gospel of Christ.

    Case in point, with Jews, he would first lay out through their Scriptures, that Jesus had been their Prophesied Christ.

    He would then go into how His death, burial and resurrection had made it possible for them to be justified by faith.

    He would then follow that with what had become of their Prophesied hope.

    And so on....

    In contrast, he would not go into all that in that same way, with the Gentiles.

    Rather, he would start off with Who God was, and how they had ended up without Him, followed by how that He was now calling them and Who Christ was, and what His role was in all that, and so on.

    1 Cor. 15: 1-4 is actually Romans 1:17-3:30 in a very, very summarized form - because he was addressing those whom He had long since laid all that out to.

    This is sort of like how one leads an Atheist to the Lord.

    In their case, another step is needed - proving first, the Bible Itself, followed by proving God to them, and so on.

    Same is the case with other groups; where they are at determines what the first steps and gospel information will be beyond the simple "Christ died for your sins..."

    So, yeah, I'd have to agree with your statement.

    In the spirit of Rom. 14:5 towards you, Robert - in memory of Rom. 5: 6-8 - in each our stead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    You're right about 1 Cor. 15: 1-4.
    No, he's not-he's as wrong, bumbling, fumbling, as you, man pleaser. Grow a spine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heir View Post
    The very fact that Christ "died for our sins" was a mystery until given by revelation of Jesus Christ to and through Paul and Paul tells us why. There's no scriptural doubt about it. Why did you just ignore what saith the scripture concerning the gospel of YOUR salvation and it being mystery? You didn't hear that "Christ died for our sins" from John! You got it from Paul if you preach it at all. And FYE-John is an apostle TO Israel, not TO us. What John puts forth is written in a tribulation sense looking forward to the blotting out of sins, just as Peter would preach. Neither of them had anything to do with us or the good news of our salvation!
    Are you kidding? John is not an apostle to us? So what do you do, do you tear the book of John out of your Bible and throw in the trash? We don't exactly know what Peter preached, but we do know that it was accompanied by the Holy Spirit. And you have the audacity to say that neither one of them had anything to do with the Gospel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by john w View Post
    No, he's not-he's as wrong, bumbling, fumbling, as you, man pleaser. Grow a spine.

    Your problem is that you don't know what the Gospel is, here is a clue.

    The Gospel is that work that Jesus did in our name and on our behalf that justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.

    Do you believe that Jesus did that? Do you believe the Gospel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    Are you kidding? John is not an apostle to us? So what do you do, do you tear the book of John out of your Bible and throw in the trash?
    All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable...(2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV). It means what it says, as it says it and to whom it says it. It's all written FOR our learning (Romans 15:4 KJV), but it's not ALL written TO us or about us.

    The form of sound words of Romans through Philemon (2 Timothy 1:13 KJV) is written directly TO the church, the Body of Christ (Ephesians 1:23 KJV, Ephesians 5:30 KJV, Colossians 1:24-29 KJV). That’s us. Anything outside of Romans through Philemon is to Israel past and future.

    We don't exactly know what Peter preached, but we do know that it was accompanied by the Holy Spirit.
    We know what Peter preached: a murder indictment to all the house of Israel that they had murdered their Messiah, the Lord Jesus Christ, but that God hath raised Him up!(Acts 2:22-36 KJV). Peter did NOT know or preach the gospel of OUR salvation; how that "Christ died for our sins" as the power of God. He didn't even know it as that truth was a mystery. Paul tells us that it was and why (Romans 16:25-27 KJV, 1 Corinthians 2:6-8 KJV).
    And you have the audacity to say that neither one of them had anything to do with the Gospel?
    Neither one of them had anything to do with a mystery gospel anymore than they had anything to do with us Gentiles! Paul is the apostle of the Gentiles (Romans 11:13 KJV, 1 Timothy 2:7 KJV, 2 Timothy 1:11 KJV) given the gospel by which we are saved (Galatians 1:11-12 KJV, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV)/the dispensation of the gospel (1 Corinthians 9:17 KJV) and the dispensation of the grace of God to us-ward ("you-ward" Ephesians 3:1-9 KJV). We are to follow Paul in doctrine (1 Corinthians 4:15-16 KJV, 1 Corinthians 11:1, 2 Timothy 2:2, 2 Timothy 2:7-8) not John or Peter (Galatians 2:7 KJV).
    2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    Paul defines the word of truth as the gospel of your salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, Ephesians 1:13 KJV). Now, study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed by rightly dividing it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    The whole Bible is about Jesus Christ and his Gospel. In the Old Testament we see God bringing forth a people and a nation from whom the savior of the world would come. God chose Patriarchs, prophets and others to reveal his plan of salvation. The Old Testament saints were saved and justified by faith in God's promise of a savior.

    "Abraham believed God and it was counted unto him for righteousness" Romans 4:3.

    There is a thread that runs through the Old Testament concerning God's promise of a savior. Many of the Jews looked forward to seeing God's promise of a savior, but died without ever seeing it become a reality, Hebrews 11:39. They were saved and justified by faith. They looked forward to seeing the savior. We look back. It is much easier to look back than it is to look forward. We have the whole revelation of Jesus Christ and his Gospel in the New Testament.

    God's promise of a savior becomes a reality in the New Testament books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

    "For unto you is born this day in the city of David a savior, which is Christ the Lord" Luke 2:11.

    The long awaited savior finally arrives, but not many knew who he was, nor did they know what his purpose was, John 1:12. The apostles knew who he was, 1 John 1:1-4. But even some of them did not know what his purpose was until the day of Pentecost. Acts chapter 2 is the big reveal. For the very first time the Gospel comes into the world in the power of the Holy Spirit. The lowly disciples are transformed into powerful preachers of the Gospel, Acts 4:18-20. Pentecost gave birth to the New Testament church. Nothing is the same after Pentecost. The apostles went everywhere preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Thousands and thousands of Jews are born again by the word of God (the Gospel) 1 Peter 1:23 and become witnesses for Christ and his Gospel.

    WHAT IS THE GOSPEL?

    The Gospel is that work that Jesus did in our name and on our behalf that justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19. In the Gospel Jesus comes into the world as God's new Adam and our new humanity, 2 Corinthians 5:17. His mission is to do for us that which we cannot do for ourselves. By his righteous sinless life he offers to God the Father a life of perfect obedience according to his Holy Law. Jesus is the end and the fulfillment of God's law, Romans 10:4.

    That was not enough. Something had to be done about our sins and the sins of the whole world,

    "For he has made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him" 2 Corinthians 5:21.

    In Jesus Christ we have been justified, sanctified and redeemed, 1 Corinthians 1:30. We now stand before God as holy and complete in Jesus Christ, Colossians 2:10. If the Bible is read in the light of this historical Gospel of Jesus Christ it will make sense. If you try to add your religion to the Bible, it will not make sense.
    Abraham OBEYED God BEFORE the scripture speaking of Abraham's faith:

    Genesis 12:1
    Now the LORD said to Abram, "Go forth from your country, And from your relatives And from your father's house, To the land which I will show you;


    See how Paul speaking to the Hebrews about how Abraham OBEYED:


    Hebrews 11:8 By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going.



    And even after Abraham obeyed and had faith, his faith was TESTED.

    Read here how James hearing about the misunderstanding of faith alone, explains that Abraham had to also obey:


    James 2:20 You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? 21 Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did.


    The gospel is that we no longer have to get circumcised and sacrifice animals just to go to an earthly temple where God's Spirit was, for since Jesus, we only have to have faith that his blood cleans us OF THE SINS WE REPENT OF and we become the temple.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heir View Post
    All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable...(2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV). It means what it says,
    That is about the OLD TESTAMENT.

    Jesus came with the new.

    Quote Originally Posted by heir View Post

    as it says it and to whom it says it. It's all written FOR our learning (Romans 15:4 KJV), but it's not ALL written TO us or about us.

    PAUL QUOTES the OLD TESTAMENT MANY TIMES to Gentiles.

    Paul says Abraham is the Gentile's father.

    That is right, he is our father by faith.

    Quote Originally Posted by heir View Post
    The form of sound words of Romans through Philemon (2 Timothy 1:13 KJV) is written directly TO the church, the Body of Christ (Ephesians 1:23 KJV, Ephesians 5:30 KJV, Colossians 1:24-29 KJV). That’s us. Anything outside of Romans through Philemon is to Israel past and future.
    The Bible flows all together.

    Jesus is the Lord of all.

    His words are Spirit and life and they will never pass away.

    Quote Originally Posted by heir View Post

    We know what Peter preached: a murder indictment to all the house of Israel that they had murdered their Messiah, the Lord Jesus Christ, but that God hath raised Him up!(Acts 2:22-36 KJV). Peter did NOT know or preach the gospel of OUR salvation;


    how that "Christ died for our sins" as the power of God. He didn't even know it as that truth was a mystery. Paul tells us that it was and why (Romans 16:25-27 KJV, 1 Corinthians 2:6-8 KJV). Neither one of them had anything to do with a mystery gospel anymore than they had anything to do with us Gentiles! Paul is the apostle of the Gentiles (Romans 11:13 KJV, 1 Timothy 2:7 KJV, 2 Timothy 1:11 KJV) given the gospel by which we are saved (Galatians 1:11-12 KJV, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV)/the dispensation of the gospel (1 Corinthians 9:17 KJV) and the dispensation of the grace of God to us-ward ("you-ward" Ephesians 3:1-9 KJV). We are to follow Paul in doctrine (1 Corinthians 4:15-16 KJV, 1 Corinthians 11:1, 2 Timothy 2:2, 2 Timothy 2:7-8) not John or Peter (Galatians 2:7 KJV).
    Peter was the one who was told by God to kill and eat; and then Peter gave the GOSPEL that SAVES to Cornelius and his whole household.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heir View Post
    The very fact that Christ "died for our sins" was a mystery until given by revelation of Jesus Christ to and through Paul and Paul tells us why. There's no scriptural doubt about it. Why did you just ignore what saith the scripture concerning the gospel of YOUR salvation and it being mystery? You didn't hear that "Christ died for our sins" from John! You got it from Paul if you preach it at all. And FYE-John is an apostle TO Israel, not TO us. What John puts forth is written in a tribulation sense looking forward to the blotting out of sins, just as Peter would preach. Neither of them had anything to do with us or the good news of our salvation!
    Listen to the GOSPEL that PETER spoke to the Gentile Cornelius and his whole household:

    Acts 10:33 Now we are all here in the presence of God to listen to everything the Lord has commanded you to tell us.”
    34 Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism 35 but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right. 36 You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, announcing the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all. 37 You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached— 38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.
    39 “We are witnesses of everything he did in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They killed him by hanging him on a cross, 40 but God raised him from the dead on the third day and caused him to be seen.41 He was not seen by all the people, but by witnesses whom God had already chosen—by us who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead. 42 He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead. 43 All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”
    44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. 45 The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles. 46 For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God.
    Then Peter said, 47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.” 48 So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

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    That Gospel that Peter preached, he preached it before Paul preached.

    Peter preached the one and only gospel that saves.

    Peter knows that God isn't favoring Jews over Gentiles.

    Peter says God ACCEPTS people from EVERY NATION who fear Him and does what is right.

    The good news is peace through Jesus Christ who is LORD OVER ALL.

    Peter brings up John's baptism of repentance.

    He says how he was killed on a cross and how he has been raised and is the judge of the living and the dead.

    Peter says everyone who believes receives forgiveness of sins.
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    Does anyone want to keep saying Paul preached another gospel?

    Does anyone still want to say Peter didn't know the gospel that saves for everyone?
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    No, Judas hung himself. The only Gospel that the disciples preached before Pentecost was the Kingdom Gospel, which was the good news that the King had arrived.

    They did not preach the Gospel that justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18,19, until after Pentecost.
    Are you kidding?

    When Jesus walked the earth he preached to believe on him for forgiveness of sins. He told people to repent or perish.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

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