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    R.C. Sproul: Dispensationalism Brought Us The ‘Carnal Christian'.

    Interesting comments from RC Sproul around 11:30 - 16:00




    What I've been saying for the last ten years here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andyc View Post
    Interesting comments from RC Sproul around 11:30 - 16:00




    What I've been saying for the last ten years here.
    Really?

    That different rules and policies have been in place over time is abundantly clear.

    God's plan for man's redemption and salvation required that He have a plan, a plan with different phases in it.

    Carnality has been a reality beginning with the fall of man and woman.

    Carnality is the fall of man and woman.
    "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

    "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

    Pro scripture = Protestant

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    All 'Christians' are carnal to one degree or another, as we all still live in a fallen body.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oatmeal View Post
    Really?

    That different rules and policies have been in place over time is abundantly clear.

    God's plan for man's redemption and salvation required that He have a plan, a plan with different phases in it.

    Carnality has been a reality beginning with the fall of man and woman.

    Carnality is the fall of man and woman.




    The OT may look that way, but we are cautioned not to view it 'kata sarka' (in the ordinary sense; according to the flesh), 2 Cor 5. It always was about Christ and those who had faith in him. Judaism replaced the promise with the law (Gal 3:17) trying to make people think it was about their race and works. It never was. It came through them, but that does not mean there ever was an alternate program. The NT never sounds like there was. It even says the law is part of the 'weak and miserable elements of the world.' Gal 4, Col 2.
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    I did listen to the highlighted section and have never heard that criticism of D'ism. It's not really an area that matters to organizing (or finding the organization of) the Bible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    All 'Christians' are carnal to one degree or another, as we all still live in a fallen body.
    Yep.

    Else why even the need for reminders like the following?

    Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

    Thank God then, for Romans 5: 6-8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andyc View Post
    Interesting comments from RC Sproul around 11:30 - 16:00




    What I've been saying for the last ten years here.
    Now that is exactly how one discusses those things - completely absent of a Bible in hand.

    NOT!

    Colossians 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

    Rom. 5: 6-8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oatmeal View Post
    Really?

    That different rules and policies have been in place over time is abundantly clear.

    God's plan for man's redemption and salvation required that He have a plan, a plan with different phases in it.

    Carnality has been a reality beginning with the fall of man and woman.

    Carnality is the fall of man and woman.
    Which is why RC Sproul was talking about how regeneration is supposed to have an impact on carnal man, which is neglected by dispensationalist teaching.
    Delight yourself in the LORD, And He shall give you the desires of your heart. . Psalms 37:4

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    All 'Christians' are carnal to one degree or another, as we all still live in a fallen body.
    Which is different to being completely carnal while professing faith in Christ, as Sproul explains.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    I did listen to the highlighted section and have never heard that criticism of D'ism. It's not really an area that matters to organizing (or finding the organization of) the Bible.
    Regeneration is critical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    Now that is exactly how one discusses those things - completely absent of a Bible in hand.

    NOT!

    Colossians 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

    Rom. 5: 6-8.
    Sproul was simply talking about how the removal of the moral law, removes conviction of sin, which in turn removes the need to be converted. Scripture references can be supplied, but I'm sure you're already familiar with them.
    Delight yourself in the LORD, And He shall give you the desires of your heart. . Psalms 37:4

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    Quote Originally Posted by andyc View Post
    Which is why RC Sproul was talking about how regeneration is supposed to have an impact on carnal man, which is neglected by dispensationalist teaching.
    That is an absolute lie - on their books based ignorant part, and on yours in your own failure to do your homework before allowing yourself to conclude on what others teach about it.

    Case in point that yours is am outright lie - any of the following four studies...

    1- Shall We Continue In Sin That Grace May Abound?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IM8KmnXAhY&app=desktop

    2- Why Do I Fail If There Is Victory In Christ?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZhiZGjjm7Y&app=desktop

    3- THE NEW YOU!! - Now This is Really Living!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=018l90DJ6rI&app=desktop

    4- How Can I Live A Victorious Christian Life?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-uNINDZukU&app=desktop

    And that is just a few studies of the many on this issue and only by one of the many who regularly teach on it.

    Rom. 5: 6-8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    That is an absolute lie - on their books based ignorant part, and on yours in your own failure to do your homework before allowing yourself to conclude on what others teach about it.

    Case in point that yours is am outright lie - any of the following four studies...

    1- How Can I Live A Victorious Christian Life?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-uNINDZukU&app=desktop

    2- THE NEW YOU!! - Now This is Really Living!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=018l90DJ6rI&app=desktop

    3- Shall We Continue In Sin That Grace May Abound?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IM8KmnXAhY&app=desktop

    4- Why Do I Fail If There Is Victory In Christ?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZhiZGjjm7Y&app=desktop

    And that is just a few studies of the many on this issue and only by one of the many who regularly teach on it.

    Rom. 5: 6-8.
    You've misunderstood the point of sproul. He is talking about regeneration as a result of coming under conviction of sin. The knowledge of sin comes from the law. All your listed studies are to do with sanctification post salvation.

    You really ought to pay attention to the subject, and not keep jumping to wrong conclusions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andyc View Post
    Which is different to being completely carnal while professing faith in Christ, as Sproul explains.
    And Sproul is full of it...be that as it may.
    If any of my views seem to be strange or new to you, it is to be hoped that you will not close your mind to them, but will emulate the noble Bereans, and not only read and study the chapters would discuss, but will also search the Scriptures to see whether these things be so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    And Sproul is full of it...be that as it may.
    Sproul is only pointing out the inevitable danger of removing the law completely. He's approaching it from a covenant theology perspective.
    Delight yourself in the LORD, And He shall give you the desires of your heart. . Psalms 37:4

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