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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
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    Yes I do. That Jesus came to fulfill the law. And change it. Do you accept Matt 5-19

    [Mat 5:17-19
    17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.
    18 "For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
    19 "Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches [them], he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
    Shalom.

    Are you asking about Matthew 5 through Matthew 19?

    I am telling you that you should accept Matthew 5:19.

    Shalom.

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    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    In beginning He created God the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Shalom.

    Are you asking about Matthew 5 through Matthew 19?

    I am telling you that you should accept Matthew 5:19.

    Shalom.

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    I do accept it. Your the one calling Jesus a liar, and saying He didn't fulfill the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
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    I do accept it. Your the one calling Jesus a liar, and saying He didn't fulfill the law.
    Shalom.

    I have not said that Jesus did not fulfill the law and the prophets. Now you have said that I did not say Jesus fulfilled the law. I have no problem saying that Jesus fulfilled the law. Remember, Jesus did not come to abolish the law or the prophets.

    Shalom.

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    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Shalom.

    I have not said that Jesus did not fulfill the law and the prophets. Now you have said that I did not say Jesus fulfilled the law. I have no problem saying that Jesus fulfilled the law. Remember, Jesus did not come to abolish the law or the prophets.

    Shalom.

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    Do you know what fulfill means? Then He changed the law.

    [Heb 7:12
    12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    I said
    Do you know what fulfill means? Then He changed the law.

    [Heb 7:12
    12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.
    Shalom.

    I do know what fulfill means. You are incorrect to say then He changed the law. When? To fulfill the Law and the Prophets is both in His being the Messiah and in His doing all that God had for Him to do, being perfectly obedient to His Word, His commandments.

    Shalom.

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    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    In beginning He created God the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Shalom.

    I do know what fulfill means. You are incorrect to say then He changed the law. When? To fulfill the Law and the Prophets is both in His being the Messiah and in His doing all that God had for Him to do, being perfectly obedient to His Word, His commandments.

    Shalom.

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    I said
    lol Now your calling God a liar

    [Heb 7:12
    12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    I said
    lol Now your calling God a liar

    [Heb 7:12
    12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.
    Shalom.

    Incorrect. I believe that there was a change of the law. I simply do not believe that the Law was abolished. For Jesus did not come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. Some people say that after He fulfilled the Law He abolished it. But there is no Scriptural or Biblical support or merit for this false and wrong idea.

    Shalom.

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    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    In beginning He created God the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Shalom.

    Incorrect. I believe that there was a change of the law. I simply do not believe that the Law was abolished. For Jesus did not come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. Some people say that after He fulfilled the Law He abolished it. But there is no Scriptural or Biblical support or merit for this false and wrong idea.

    Shalom.

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    I said
    lol I never said it was. The old testament law is still in effect for the rest of the world. Just not for Christians. The law of Christ has delivered us from the old testament law. When you got kicked out of Christianity you were put back under the old testament law of sin and death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    I said
    lol I never said it was. The old testament law is still in effect for the rest of the world. Just not for Christians. The law of Christ has delivered us from the old testament law. When you got kicked out of Christianity you were put back under the old testament law of sin and death.
    Shalom.

    Squeaky, instead of multiple threads where you say that I was kicked out of Christianity, saying that I said that God kicked me out of Christianity, which I did not say, why don't you wait for a response on the thread you asked in, or made your wrong or false statement to which I objected, and see if my response makes sense to you? As it is you are ruining my life and yours, and you are a ruin to the hearer. The law of Christ is in agreement with the Law of Moses, for in the Law of Moses we learn to love God with all our heart, with all our soul, and with all our might, and to love one's neighbor as one's self, which is exactly what bearing one another's burdens is all about. It is silly to say that once you accept God's commandments and become a believer that you would then have a right or merit to reject them. A person does not need to be circumcised to become a believer, nor observe the whole or entire Law of Moses. But you should not reject any of God's commandments. Circumcision and uncircumcision, what matters is keeping the commandments of God.

    Shalom.

    Jacob
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    In beginning He created God the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Shalom.

    Squeaky, instead of multiple threads where you say that I was kicked out of Christianity, saying that I said that God kicked me out of Christianity, which I did not say, why don't you wait for a response on the thread you asked in, or made your wrong or false statement to which I objected, and see if my response makes sense to you? As it is you are ruining my life and yours, and you are a ruin to the hearer. The law of Christ is in agreement with the Law of Moses, for in the Law of Moses we learn to love God with all our heart, with all our soul, and with all our might, and to love one's neighbor as one's self, which is exactly what bearing one another's burdens is all about. It is silly to say that once you accept God's commandments and become a believer that you would then have a right or merit to reject them. A person does not need to be circumcised to become a believer, nor observe the whole or entire Law of Moses. But you should not reject any of God's commandments. Circumcision and uncircumcision, what matters is keeping the commandments of God.

    Shalom.

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    I said
    There you go again rambling and deceiving. Trying to get Christians to keep the old testament law so they will fall from grace the way you did. It isn't going to happen on my threads. Christians are going to stand fast in the new testament.

    [Gal 5:1-4
    1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
    2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
    3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
    4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who [attempt to] be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    I said
    There you go again rambling and deceiving. Trying to get Christians to keep the old testament law so they will fall from grace the way you did. It isn't going to happen on my threads. Christians are going to stand fast in the new testament.

    [Gal 5:1-4
    1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
    2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
    3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
    4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who [attempt to] be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
    Shalom.

    Today is Sheni, 10-28. It is Yom, Day.

    No one should fall from grace, including Christians. But to call Matthew through Revelation the New Testament and insist one only read or stay in the New Testament keeps them from the Scriptures that Paul wrote or said are inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for rebuke, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God would be adequate, equipped for every good work.

    2 Timothy 3:16-17 NKJV 16 All Scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

    It is my belief that this is talking about the TaNaK (the Hebrew or Jewish Scriptures), not the Christian Old Testament.

    Shalom.

    Jacob
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    In beginning He created God the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Shalom.

    Today is Sheni, 10-28. It is Yom, Day.

    No one should fall from grace, including Christians. But to call Matthew through Revelation the New Testament and insist one only read or stay in the New Testament keeps them from the Scriptures that Paul wrote or said are inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for rebuke, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God would be adequate, equipped for every good work.

    2 Timothy 3:16-17 NKJV 16 All Scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

    It is my belief that this is talking about the TaNaK (the Hebrew or Jewish Scriptures), not the Christian Old Testament.

    Shalom.

    Jacob
    I said
    lol I don't doubt you believe that. That is what makes you an idiot. Go back to the old testament and show me where it says Jewish scriptures. There is only one verse in the old testament that speaks of scripture. And it is speaking of the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
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    lol I don't doubt you believe that. That is what makes you an idiot. Go back to the old testament and show me where it says Jewish scriptures. There is only one verse in the old testament that speaks of scripture. And it is speaking of the future.
    Please explain (which are you referring to?). It is my belief that the TaNaK came before the Old Testament. Though the content is the same or not, the order and arrangement and even the number of the books is different.

    Daniel 10:21 NKJV 21 "But I will tell you what is noted in the Scripture of Truth. (No one upholds me against these, except Michael your prince.

    Shalom.

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    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    In beginning He created God the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Please explain (which are you referring to?). It is my belief that the TaNaK came before the Old Testament. Though the content is the same or not, the order and arrangement and even the number of the books is different.

    Daniel 10:21 NKJV 21 "But I will tell you what is noted in the Scripture of Truth. (No one upholds me against these, except Michael your prince.

    Shalom.

    Jacob
    I said
    You lied again. Your not gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    I said
    You lied again. Your not gone.
    Shalom.

    What do you mean by saying that I lied again? Or by saying that I am not gone? What are you referring to?

    Shalom.

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    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    In beginning He created God the heavens and the earth

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