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    What people are missing...

    This chart, which doesnít get nearly enough attention, shows the change in first-year presidential approval ratings from copartisans. That is, it shows Democratic approval of Democrats and Republican approval of Republicans:



    After an admittedly wild first year in which he disappointed liberals with his budget, gays in the military, and a missile attack on Iraq, Bill Clinton ended 1993 exactly where he started. George Bush got a huge bump across the board after 9/11, but even if you look at his approval rating through 9/10, he only lost about one percent of his support. In 2009, during a brutal recession, Obama lost three percent of his support by the end of the year.

    Donald Trump has lost eight percent of his support among Republicans. During a strong economy.

    I know these seem like small numbers, but theyíre meaningful. Itís natural that presidents lose support among independents and members of the opposing party. Many of them want to ďgive the new president a chance,Ē and then slip away as politics takes its natural course. But polarization being what it is, recent presidents just donít lose much support among their own party. Only in Trumpís case has there been any significant erosion.

    Losing the support of people who probably didnít vote for you in the first place doesnít mean too much. But losing the support of people who did vote for you means electoral disaster. Itís also good news: Americans arenít reacting to the norm-busting buffoonery of the Trump presidency with indifference. Not only is the opposition movement enormously energized, but even Republicans are losing faith in him.

    http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-dru...g-republicans/
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    Another poll I was not asked to vote in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Another poll I was not asked to vote in.
    The left should really be skeptical of polls since they failed miserably in 2016. It's the same as it was then, the silent majority LOVES Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    The left should really be skeptical of polls since they failed miserably in 2016. It's the same as it was then, the silent majority LOVES Trump.

    It's basic psychology, TELL everybody that Trump's "approval" is low. Because we all want to think like the so called "majority", don't we?
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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    The left should really be skeptical of polls since they failed miserably in 2016. It's the same as it was then, the silent majority LOVES Trump.
    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    It's basic psychology, TELL everybody that Trump's "approval" is low. Because we all want to think like the so called "majority", don't we?
    Well, yeah.
    A short time ago Weinstein's approval polls would have been good.
    If you were to poll the Hollywood leftists, it might still be good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Well, yeah.
    A short time ago Weinstein's approval polls would have been good.
    If you were to poll the Hollywood leftists, it might still be good.
    Especially Oprah !!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    Especially Oprah !!!
    She been two-faced most of her career.
    She thrives on emotional propaganda.

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    LOL. Let's look at Barbarian's post in a little detail. Let's analyze it a little bit.

    1. It comes from a communist source. Mother Jones is unabashedly socialist/communist/fascist. I put all three ideologies together for all three say the government has to effective control of all business. All three give the government complete control of all aspects of society. All three ideologies are totalitarian. There's not a nickel's worth of difference between them. They all rest on exactly the same foundation.

    2. The chart is very deceptive. Notice the starting point for all of the presidents. It says all of these presidents had a 100% approval rating within their own parties. That in itself is a flat out lie. None of them did, and Trump had, by far, the most copartisan resistance to his being elected. Yet where does the chart show copartisan support him when first elected? 100% approval. This in itself is laughable for he had avowed enemies in Republican Senate and House from day one. No other president ever elected ever had a group dedicated to anything but him like the Never Trump'ers.

    Barbarian has just demonstrated one of two things. He doesn't even examine in the slightest the malicious stuff he posts. Or, he does and he doesn't care how dishonest it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffreeloader View Post
    LOL. Let's look at Barbarian's post in a little detail. Let's analyze it a little bit.

    1. It comes from a communist source. Mother Jones is unabashedly socialist/communist/fascist. I put all three ideologies together for all three say the government has to effective control of all business. All three give the government complete control of all aspects of society. All three ideologies are totalitarian. There's not a nickel's worth of difference between them. They all rest on exactly the same foundation.

    2. The chart is very deceptive. Notice the starting point for all of the presidents. It says all of these presidents had a 100% approval rating within their own parties. That in itself is a flat out lie. None of them did, and Trump had, by far, the most copartisan resistance to his being elected. Yet where does the chart show copartisan support him when first elected? 100% approval. This in itself is laughable for he had avowed enemies in Republican Senate and House from day one. No other president ever elected ever had a group dedicated to anything but him like the Never Trump'ers.

    Barbarian has just demonstrated one of two things. He doesn't even examine in the slightest the malicious stuff he posts. Or, he does and he doesn't care how dishonest it is.
    I learned long ago that when barb posts in "maroon" colored text it's hogwash from deeply biased sources.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ffreeloader View Post
    LOL. Let's look at Barbarian's post in a little detail. Let's analyze it a little bit.
    Probably you should have read it first.

    1. It comes from a communist source. Mother Jones is unabashedly socialist/communist/fascist.[/quote]

    O.K., so we know that you don't know what "communism", and "fascism" mean. Not a good start for you.

    I put all three ideologies together for all three say the government has to effective control of all business.
    See, you don't know what they are.

    2. The chart is very deceptive. Notice the starting point for all of the presidents. It says all of these presidents had a 100% approval rating within their own parties.
    The graph sets 100% as all those who voted for the candidate. So it measures the change in support among those who voted for the president. As you see, Trump took the worst losses.

    You've just demonstrated one of two things. You didn't even read the chart. Or, you did and you don't care how dishonest you are.
    Let's say that I suffer from a delusion. I will call this delusion "Fact-check Syndrome." I respond by citing facts.

    Most people online don't want to be corrected. They do not care about anything that does not agree with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    She been two-faced most of her career.
    Because the people in office now, are never two-faced, right?

    She thrives on emotional propaganda.
    Just because it works for Trump, doesn't mean it will work for her.
    Let's say that I suffer from a delusion. I will call this delusion "Fact-check Syndrome." I respond by citing facts.

    Most people online don't want to be corrected. They do not care about anything that does not agree with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Probably you should have read it first.

    1. It comes from a communist source. Mother Jones is unabashedly socialist/communist/fascist.

    O.K., so we know that you don't know what "communism", and "fascism" mean. Not a good start for you.



    See, you don't know what they are.



    The graph sets 100% as all those who voted for the candidate. So it measures the change in support among those who voted for the president. As you see, Trump took the worst losses.

    You've just demonstrated one of two things. You didn't even read the chart. Or, you did and you don't care how dishonest you are.
    First, let's look at how much Barbarian really understands collectivism, which is comprised of socialism, communism, and facism. They all have the same foundation of ideas.

    Even communists must have been some what shaken by such testimonies as that
    of Max Eastman, Lenin’s old friend, who found himself compelled to admit
    that “instead of being better, Stalinism is worse than fascism, more
    ruthless, barbarous, unjust, immoral, anti-democratic, unredeemed by any
    hope or scruple,” and that it is “better described as superfascist”; and
    when we find the same author recognizing that "Stalinism is socialism,
    in the sense of being an inevitable although unforeseen political
    accompaniment of the nationalization and collectivization which he had
    relied upon as part of his plan for erecting a classless society,” his
    conclusion clearly achieves wider significance.

    Max Eastman, Stalin’s Russia and the Crisis in Socialism
    (New York: W. W. Norton, 1940); the passages are found on p. 82. p. 82,
    and p. 154, respectively.

    This entire quote comes from Friedrich Hayek's book, The Road to Serfdom.
    p 79.
    As the world knows the USSR as communistic, then it is plain there is very little difference between socialism, communism, and fascism. Who was Max Eastman? He was a dedicated socialist activist when he graduated from Davidson in the early 1900s. He was the first chief editor of "The Masses" and wrote a great deal of the content. He was also a very good friend of Lenin. And he was invited to Russia in the 1920s to examine what was going on there. He was given free access to their documentation of what they were doing. He came back very disillusioned with socialism/marxism because of what he saw there.

    Do you know how Lenin described his own political beliefs? He was a dedicated follower of Karl Marx. So, when he called himself a Marxist he was acknowledging that he was communist/socialist. Friedrich Engels admitted that he and Marx, when they wrote the "Communist Manifesto", used the term Communist to create a space between themselves and the socialists who had come before them, for they both considered themselves as being socialists.

    I have now created direct links between socialism, communism, and facism. I will tie these ideologies even closer together in a couple of later posts.

    As to what I bolded above, the article speaks to copartisans. It uses the term repeatedly. What are copartisans? They are those of the same party as the person running for office. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partisan_(political)

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    We're talking about Trump's loss of republican support, not your silly conflation of conservatives and socialists.

    Instead of going of into a fantasy,you should have read the chart more carefully.
    Let's say that I suffer from a delusion. I will call this delusion "Fact-check Syndrome." I respond by citing facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    We're talking about Trump's loss of republican support, not your silly conflation of conservatives and socialists.

    Instead of going of into a fantasy,you should have read the chart more carefully.
    Like this chart, Comrade Igor:?



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