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    Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post
    Did you not read this?

    . Verily, those who

    disbelieve in All‚h and His Messengers, choose to make a distinction between All‚h and His Messengers,

    You seem to be only seeing part of what it says.

    It says no distinction between GOD and Christ.

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    I am putting more care into your words than you are saying.

    You are letting me down by putting me down and I don't deserve it.

    Of course I read it where is says that. It says 'Messengers'. Hello? I was talking about Messengers. I was talking about MOSES, JONAH, SOLOMON, and MUHAMMAD, and even Jesus Christ. So why do you say "Did you read this...?"

    You act as if Messengers means the Father and Jesus.

    It is about Messengers, not about the Father Himself.

    It says "Allah and His Messengers". Think. I read and answered correctly.

    You are turning into the madists and what they falsely say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post
    . Verily, those who disbelieve in All‚h and His Messengers, (or while believing) choose to make a distinction between All‚h and His Messengers, and say, ‘We believe in some and disbelieve in others,’ intending to strike a course in between,

    Rather All‚h exalted him with all honour to His presence. And All‚h is All-Mighty, All-Wise.

    16:110. Again those who emigrated (from their homes) after they had been persecuted and strove hard (in the cause of All‚h) and patiently persevered, will ultimately find that your Lord, yes, your own Lord is indeed Great Protector, Ever Merciful (to them).



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    You are trying to act like the name "Allah" is the same as saying the Father and Jesus. I can prove with scripture that Jesus is the same as the Father, but now you have to prove with the words of the Qur'an that it also says that Jesus is the same as "Allah".

    You have not done that at all.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post
    You just twisted scripture yourself while lying and misrepresenting your sister.

    You are full of deceit.

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    You see so much, pops, and you just don't see and sit watching someone else attack me unfairly, you stand up like a man, a true brother, and friend. Thank you for that.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

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    Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post
    None have even attempted to address the topic of the post

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    Don't say 'none'.

    I have addressed the topic and post.

    I went out of my way to speak to you with scriptures and words of explanation.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Do not just read the word do it.

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    I think I see what you are doing, pops. However, falsely accusing me shows that you are doing it wrongly. I think you want to bring all religions together, but instead of bringing them all together by truth, you try to bring all together by a type of magic. I don't want to say you do it by dishonesty, or by deceit, so I say by magic, for lack of a kinder word and image. You can't magically take away things in the Bible that you believe offends. You can't magically take away and or add to what the Qur'an says. You seem true to the way of the Baha'i and just plan Universalism.
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    I love God's Truth, and it can be found in the Holy Bible.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    I think I see what you are doing, pops. However, falsely accusing me shows that you are doing it wrongly. I think you want to bring all religions together, but instead of bringing them all together by truth, you try to bring all together by a type of magic. I don't want to say you do it by dishonesty, or by deceit, so I say by magic, for lack of a kinder word and image. You can't magically take away things in the Bible that you believe offends. You can't magically take away and or add to what the Qur'an says. You seem true to the way of the Baha'i and just plan Universalism.
    Ah....and now we see that you are now assuming things based on half truth.

    I don't want to loose you as a friend, but will not take kindly to assumptions about my motives.

    And you even mentioning magic to me as if I am some sorcerer or diviner is you saying I am of Satan....I agree it is a fake nice way to say it though.

    If you think I preach a form of unity against the truth, then that is your opinion.

    It is very difficult for me to not lash out at you at this time.

    In one post you commend my straightforwardness only to accuse me of the works of Satan.

    I should have severed my tie with you when I was shown.



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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    I love God's Truth, and it can be found in the Holy Bible.
    Your friends get what they want so bad due to your double speak and backbiting.

    You are not what you believe yourself to be.

    You can't even honestly discuss things with any, though you percieve yourself to be doing just that.

    Your tunnel vision has caused you to miss great truths, yet you go forth blindly, off assumption and conflation rather than what is plainly stated.

    I told you before hand that the book is expressed differently from the Bible to some extent. But you expect verbatim copying of the Bible which came through GOD, yet too the men you know to have been corrupt(arcc), but you stick headlong with your version of the truth, wholly missing what is plainly stated, which is that all is of GOD, and all will be reconciled.




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    Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post
    I believe that all core sacred monotheistic texts are profitable for scripture unless they outright plainly deny the Christ. This even goes for a few writings that are generally seen as polytheistic yet in actuality show themselves to ultimately glorify One merciful Creator of all existence.

    These writings include but are not limited to the Bible, Quran, book of Enoch, the Torah, the Zend Avesta, writings ascribed to the Baha'i faith, the Gita, upinishads and other writings.
    does that include any christian author of today ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post

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    So now our beliefs are clarified, tell me if the Qur'an is compatible with the way we believe about Jesus as for Jesus being God the Father coming in the flesh.

    The Quran speaks in different terms but yes it clearly states that Christ Jesus was imparted with the Word and is not separate from GOD.

    4:150. Verily, those who disbelieve in All‚h and His Messengers, (or while believing) choose to make a distinction between All‚h and His Messengers, and say, ‘We believe in some and disbelieve in others,’ intending to strike a course in between,

    4:152. (On the other hand) those who believe in All‚h and (all of) His Messengers and (while believing) make no distinction between any of them, it is to these whom He will soon give their rewards. Indeed, All‚h is Great Protector, Ever Merciful.

    4:158. Rather All‚h exalted him with all honour to His presence. And All‚h is All-Mighty, All-Wise.
    4:160. Then (by way of punishing them) on account of the transgression of those who judaised, We made unlawful to them certain of the good and pure things which had been allowed to them before, and that too on account of their causing hindrances to many (people, and their own staying away) from All‚h’s way;

    ( That will have to do for now; I have to try to get no some .sleep.)

    Saying that the message spoken by a prophet is the same message as the message of Allah is a far stretch from saying that prophet is Allah himself.

    GT does not say that Jesus just spoke the same message as GOD, but is GOD Himself.

    Things that differ are not the same.

    We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
    They already know monsters exist.
    We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by way 2 go View Post
    does that include any christian author of today ?
    Unfortunately I have not yet had the opportunity to read actually recent writings of any religion. I know the writings ascribed to some the church father's are indeed divinely inspired.

    You raise a seemingly valid point though.

    Who did you have in mind if any?

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    You can't change the English language.
    You can't change the Greek or Hebrew language either.

    We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
    They already know monsters exist.
    We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post
    Ah....and now we see that you are now assuming things based on half truth.
    No half truths. Don't just say it prove it.

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    I don't want to loose you as a friend,
    I don't think you can lose me as a friend unless you really want to.

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    but will not take kindly to assumptions about my motives.
    I am going by what you say.

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    And you even mentioning magic to me as if I am some sorcerer or diviner is you saying I am of Satan....I agree it is a fake nice way to say it though.
    Hahahahahaa I didn't mean it that way. I just couldn't think of another way to say it.

    As for you saying I am calling you a sorcerer is now going off and presuming things that you should not; however, consider that men of God had been called sorcerers. But no, you are thinking the worst of me.

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    If you think I preach a form of unity against the truth, then that is your opinion.
    Well you are now turning quite negative. I said you wanted to bring unity, not that you were going against the all the truth.

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    It is very difficult for me to not lash out at you at this time.
    ...just like the other Christians.

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    In one post you commend my straightforwardness only to accuse me of the works of Satan.
    Wow. You have brought up Satan to me before and accused me of saying something I did not say. Show where I said you were doing the works of Satan.
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    I should have severed my tie with you when I was shown.
    Okay. I am used to that in my life. Go ahead.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post
    Unfortunately I have not yet had the opportunity to read actually recent writings of any religion. I know the writings ascribed to some the church father's are indeed divinely inspired.

    You raise a seemingly valid point though.

    Who did you have in mind if any?

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    my point is how do you define scripture ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post
    Your friends get what they want so bad due to your double speak and backbiting.
    Who are my friends? You are my only friend.

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    You are not what you believe yourself to be.
    You are a false accuser.

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    You can't even honestly discuss things with any, though you percieve yourself to be doing just that.
    How can you say that about me? I am the only one here who is considering carefully what you are saying and believe.
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    Your tunnel vision has caused you to miss great truths, yet you go forth blindly, off assumption and conflation rather than what is plainly stated.
    You sound exactly like the others who call me liar, idiot, and condemned, and Satan.

    Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post

    I told you before hand that the book is expressed differently from the Bible to some extent.
    I have proven to all that I am looking at it with compassionate and reasonable eyes.

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    But you expect verbatim copying of the Bible which came through GOD, yet too the men you know to have been corrupt(arcc), but you stick headlong with your version of the truth, wholly missing what is plainly stated, which is that all is of GOD, and all will be reconciled.
    What you say about me is not truth. I am looking at your words and the words of the Qur'an with the hope that it is as you say. You said that the Qur'an says Jesus is God the Father come in the flesh. I do not see that. However, you have shown me more clearly that there are many Muslims who ruin the words of the Qur'an and make it say things it does not, just as people do to the Holy Bible.
    Last edited by God's Truth; January 20th, 2018 at 10:46 PM.
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